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NDU Prof: “The immorality of birth control is no longer a teaching of the Catholic Church.” (CC)
Cardinal Newman Society ^ | March 12, 2012

Posted on 03/13/2012 4:24:23 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Varda

The point of my post is that when an academic in a non-religious field is asked a question about religion, his opinion has no more weight than that of any person with no expertise.

Thank you for posting a great theological work. Yes I’ve read it.


21 posted on 03/13/2012 6:09:05 PM PDT by Varda
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To: Salvation

I’m sorry, my last post was supposed to be to you.


22 posted on 03/13/2012 6:16:16 PM PDT by Varda
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To: NYer; WmShirerAdmirer; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


23 posted on 03/13/2012 6:31:41 PM PDT by narses
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To: NYer

-—Gutting teaches courses to first year Philosophy students at Notre Dame and includes the writings of radical philosopher Peter Singer.-—

Parents willingly pay $30k/year for child abuse. Who’s the idiot?


24 posted on 03/13/2012 6:31:58 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: NYer

You’ll notice this man doesn’t teach in the THEOLOGY Dept., but the Philosopy Dept., so why would anything he has to say about a crucial part of Catholic Teaching be relevant?


25 posted on 03/13/2012 8:25:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Varda

If I was him, I would have pointed them towards someone else for an educated answer then.


26 posted on 03/13/2012 9:14:08 PM PDT by dila813
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To: NYer
Gary Gutting, Endowed Chair in Philosophy, argued that the will of many Catholics who choose to use contraceptives is paramount to the teaching of the bishops.

Amazing arrogance.

27 posted on 03/13/2012 9:14:18 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer

guess he never heard of St Athanasius, who defended Christ’s divinity against the Arians, who were getting control over much of the church.

And actually, if he thinks if the majority think differently, the church should change, he’s lost his argument, because white rich Americans are only a small percentage of the Catholic church.

Of course, Obama is doing his best to spread abortion and homosexuality to Christians in Asia and Africa, but he is opposed by the churches here.


28 posted on 03/14/2012 4:40:20 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: the invisib1e hand

Not really.


29 posted on 03/14/2012 5:47:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: LadyDoc

And the churches in Africa and Asia are growing.


30 posted on 03/14/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

O ok so we’re safe then.


31 posted on 03/14/2012 6:48:54 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If knowledge puffs up, information positively deludes.)
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To: SuziQ; shibumi; Dr. Sivana; Tax-chick; hinckley buzzard; dila813; freedumb2003; NYer; ...
The Notre Shame "Theology" Department has often been chaired by Fr. Richard McBrien, heretic extraordinaire who reportedly wrote Mario Cuomo's speech to be delivered at Notre Shame explaining how one may be a Catholic public officeholder, be "pro-life" and nonetheless be an active cheerleader and enabler of the mass murder of babies. I am betting that McBrien is not alone in such views in the Notre Shame "Theology" department.

This is the "Catholic" university which hallucinates that it is the Catholic Yale of the Midwest (in alleged academic quality which says more negative about Yale than positive about Notre Shame). Yale which was founded as a school for Congregationalist teaching and has degenerated into a largely agnostic and atheist institution (see Bill Buckley's 60-year ago book God and Man at Yale and it has gotten far worse since then) is probably marginally more Catholic than Notre Shame. My wife found her Catholic Faith because she attended and graduated Yale and met up with the actually Catholic resistance there.

Harvard and Columbia and Dartmouth (Laura Ingraham and Dinesh D'Souza) and probably Princeton and maybe even Brown (Bobby Jindal) have similar Catholic undergrounds. Serious, disciplined Catholicism including many conversions, some priestly vocations, Catholic writers, etc. Even Texas A. and M. (see The Aggie Catholic online newsletter).

Most of Notre Shame's actually Catholic faculty members: Charles Rice, Ralph McInerney, Dean Clarence Mannion, are dead or retired and appear ever more distantly only in the rear view mirror of the university.

For me, the last straw was the despicable hospitality shown Obozo a couple of years ago when he was honored (despite being enemy in chief of the Catholic Church in the US) by an honorary law degree (as if his actual Harvard Law degree were not enough of a farce) and with the opportunity to give a commencement address in the football stadium otherwise dominated by the giant mosaic known as "Touchdown Jesus."

A previous client of mine, good and holy elderly priest from Colorado, afflicted with Parkinson's in his old age made the trip to Notre Shame to protest Obozo's appearance by carrying a cross on the sidewalks on campus. Jenkins, the sorry excuse for a priest who is to Notre Shame (its president) what Robespierre was to the French Revolution, gave orders to Notre Shame security and/or South Bend cops that resulted in the manhandling and arrest of the faithful priest, Fr. Norman Weslin, among many others. Each and every presiding bishop of each and every Illinois diocese (from Francis Cardinal George on down) publicly condemned Notre Shame for inviting and honoring Obozo as did our Illinois State Knights of Columbus convention. My bishop urged parents NOT to send their kids to Notre Shame.

May Notre Shame be consigned to the dustbin of history.

32 posted on 03/14/2012 12:27:28 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk

When are you going to publish your memoirs, BlackElk? I’m sure everyone in our homeschool association would buy a copy!


33 posted on 03/14/2012 2:23:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Oh, good Lord. Pat.)
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To: Tax-chick; BlackElk

Did I hear something about Black Elk publishing his memoirs? How about self publishing on Amazon, I’ve been told it’s very cheap and easy!!

We can all write really good reviews, too.
:-D


34 posted on 03/14/2012 2:28:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: SaraJohnson
Why do Catholic Universities permit amoral idiots to teach in their schools?

Because their "Catholicism" is at this point no more than a marketing ploy.

35 posted on 03/14/2012 2:31:49 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: little jeremiah; BlackElk

I just proposed it, although I’m sure I’m not the first. E-book publishing is low-overhead, too. I’d recommend it to my friends just for the alliteration, compound-complex sentences, quality adjectives, and vociferously vivid invective. If a student wanted to become a great polemicist, there are much worse examples than BlackElk.


36 posted on 03/14/2012 2:44:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Oh, good Lord. Pat.)
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To: Biggirl

yes, and that’s why Obama’s ambassador to Liberia wrote an article a couple days ago bashing “christians” for the homophobia in Africa.

I worked in Africa, and the problem is that gay sex isn’t a big thing, but the gay agenda, that undermines marriage and that encourages gay sex as normal, is an affront to good people, even those who are traditional...


37 posted on 03/15/2012 4:36:59 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: BlackElk

The one thing I am very happy is that my University of Connecticut women Huskies beat the women of ND for the Big East college basketball championship. If they have to meet again, my UConn women beat ND again to get to the NCAA’s championship.


38 posted on 03/15/2012 6:56:18 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Opps, forgot to say “may” my UConn women beat ND in the March Madness college b-ball round.


39 posted on 03/15/2012 6:57:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: LadyDoc

You would think that because the Christian churches over there are a LOT more conservative, they have a better opportunity to stand up to that nonsense.


40 posted on 03/15/2012 7:00:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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