And Guinness. Don't forget about Guinness.
Posted on 04/07/2012 3:40:18 PM PDT by NYer
Many of us share beliefs like this. Many more than one wowuld think by glancing at the Religion Forum run of the mill posts.
Happy Pasch!
Only the believers could see them. The Pharisees could not see them.
That didn't take place for some time after Christ's resurrection.
“One of the Gospels talks about the people rising from their tombs and roaming around Jerusalem, but not everyone could see them.”
What occurred there is connected with an earthquake that opened the tombs and must be viewed in the context of when Christ was to pay the ransom for mankind, returning to heaven.
But WHY?
I fully expect to SLEEP until the Last Trump calls ME forth from the tomb; to the Great White Throne Judgement.
Why should the earlier folks do any different?
Matthew was sure. Jesus was sure (Luke 24:46) who are the doubters?
“TODAY you shall be with Me in paradise.”
That’s almost what he said.
And Guinness. Don't forget about Guinness.
Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.
But in all seriousness, we are called on the Last Day to appear before Him. But we must differentiate the particular Judgement from the general Judgement. They are different and happen at different times. The particular Judgement happens immediately after death.
Exactly! The placement of the comma in English is arbitrary, and where you put it changes the meaning completely.
The place of the dead was called in the Old Testament by the Hebrew word “Sheol.” It had two parts, the place of the unbelieving, unrighteous dead, and the place of the believing, righteous dead, that Jesus called “Paradise.” The division between the two parts is described in Jesus’ story of Lazarus who had died, but couldn’t even give a man who had tormented and despised him in his earthly life a drink of water.
Jesus went to Sheol when He died. He preached to the righteous dead, and led them out of that place, ultimately taking them to heaven to be with Him after His resurrection when he ascended and sat down at the right hand of the Father. Hence Paul’s later “absent from the body, present with the Lord” formulation. Since the Lord’s resurrection and ascension all believers have gone immediately into the Lord’s presence, without any detours, where they await the physical bodily resurrection of the believers at the return of Christ to the earth.
The unrighteous dead remain in Sheol, awaiting the end and the White Throne judgement, after which Sheol, and all its remaining inhabitants, will be cast into the Lake of Fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
I don’t have time this evening to look up all the references, but in short, that’s what the Bible teaches.
“A. generally what has been passed down to us from the Apostles. B. Can you please prove this? Just one example should suffice.”
Of course since the resurrection is being discussed.
Mary, Jesus’ mother. It is Catholic dogma that she was “assumed” bodily into heaven after her death however as Paul makes clear in 1 Cor. 15, flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom and that the faithful like Mary would be resurrected as spirits.
“I don’t have time this evening to look up all the references, but in short, that’s what the Bible teaches.”
I’ll welcome your comments when you do have time.
***to the Great White Throne Judgement.***
I want the Bema rewarding judgement seat. The GREAT WHITE THRONE judgment is reserved for the unsaved.
****My error? I don’t care to hear from the Book of Ruy Dias de Bivar, but thanks anyway.*****
Well hows about from the KJV!
Eph 4:7 ¶But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
]Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
See the prophecy in Psalms 68:18
1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
The harrowing of hell?
Broadly speaking, but you use a lot of words with theological freight.
OK, of those whom He brought to Heaven with Him at His appearance after His resurrection as High Priest (Eph. 4:8-9, Jn. 20:16-17), who was it that He did not save? Who was it that saved themselves by their own efforts, if any? Hmmm?
You shouldn't have been napping -- you missed it. Stay awake when proper theology is being taught. The shouting may have been for trying to get your attention. (smile)
Wrong.
There are 3 kinds of life, and 3 kinds of death. Didn't you know that physical death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body? You have a body that will die and corrupt, but you were given a soul and spirit that will never die.
Here is a brief description of these facts, for yourself and others:
Be advised.
If death is as you define it then there should be no Scriptures that speak of the soul dying or being destroyed.
Is that the case? Do you know...how the Bible uses the term soul and spirit?
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