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The nasty taint of porn [Less than 5 years ago, Lds church-owned paper took Romney to task]
Deseret News [owned by Mormon church] ^ | July 10, 2007

Posted on 04/12/2012 4:13:59 AM PDT by Colofornian

Pornography taints everything it touches. Mitt Romney should have understood that. So should the Marriott Corp. and other hotel owners who offer hard-core movies in hotel rooms.

Romney caught a bit of flack...because he spent nearly 10 years on the Marriott board and yet never tried to reverse the company's policy of providing pornography on demand, something J.W. "Bill" Marriott Jr., defended in a 2000 letter as being economically important...

For a presidential candidate who has railed against pornography, this is not entirely insignificant. Even if the subject never came up at a board meeting, one can argue that at least part of the $25,000 plus stock he was paid annually for his board membership came from the money some hotel guests paid for access to the films.

Make no mistake about pornography's influence on society. A recent report from the American Psychological Association drew strong ties between pornography's pervasive influence and the "sexualization" of girls and women. This, the report said, has resulted in greater societal sexism; "fewer girls pursuing careers in science, technology, engineering and mathematics; increased rates of sexual harassment and sexual violence; and an increased demand for child pornography."

Romney seemed to understand this when he told graduates at the Christian-owned Regent University that pornography poisons "our music and movies and TV and video games."

But it is indeed lucrative.

Interestingly, several hotel chains have decided to forego the extra money out of a sense of moral obligation. The Web site cleanhotels.com helps travelers locate these. The site includes what it calls, "The Clean Hotels Pledge."...

That lasting negative effect can be like the stains you get from playing with a barrel of paint. Even if you don't like the color, it tells the tale of where you've been.

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mittromney; moralabsolutes; mormon; pornography
Even the Mormon church, which owns the DesNews, wasn't exactly thrilled with Romney's financial dalliances with the porn industry.

From the 2007 article: Romney caught a bit of flack...because he spent nearly 10 years on the Marriott board and yet never tried to reverse the company's policy of providing pornography on demand, something J.W. "Bill" Marriott Jr., defended in a 2000 letter as being economically important...For a presidential candidate who has railed against pornography, this is not entirely insignificant. Even if the subject never came up at a board meeting, one can argue that at least part of the $25,000 plus stock he was paid annually for his board membership came from the money some hotel guests paid for access to the films.

Update since '07: Romney rejoined the Marriott board from '09 to '11...making it about a dozen years as serving on its board.

Besides Romney being deemed the "inevitable" GoP candidate, why is this story particularly relevant now?

Because we see other Mormon sources trying to "remake" Romney & mold him into an entirely different image...See for example this recent (last week) Mormon mag piece -- Surprise: Romney’s “Weakness” is Actually His Strength -- where somebody who also contributes articles to the DesNews (as well as Meridian Mag) writes:

Most of us Meridian Readers know something that most Americans have not figured out yet. When voters figure it out, they are in for a big surprise. And a happy one! It has to do with a certain THING.

It is the thing a lot of them say is the reason they are for Santorum instead of Mitt…..

It is the thing that they say makes them unenthusiastic about Romney…..

It is the thing polls reveal as perhaps his main weakness….

The surprise is that that THING, is actually Mitt’s greatest strength. The thing is called by many different names but is always the same thing:

The thing is “Personal morality and values” which is the reason primary voters give for preferring Santorum to Romney.

The thing is “Faith and Family” which is Santorum’s theme and logo which he uses to try to separate himself from Mitt.

The thing is a “core of beliefs” that the media keeps saying they can’t find in Romney.

What we have at this point is Romney winning with the “practical” voters who respect his management and financial ability and think he can fix the economy; and Santorum winning with the “idealistic” voters who want someone with principles, morality, faith and family, and a “core.”

Personally, we believe that Santorum is a family oriented person of faith. But this is a similarity and not a contrast with Romney. The irony is that the man who right now is losing the family and values vote is a faithful husband of 42 years, a Mormon Stake President, a devoted father of five highly moral sons, a man who worked for a dollar a year to save the Olympics, and someone who has probably given more time and money to charity than any Presidential candidate in history.

Of course, this author-couple (the Eyres, who are Lds), have to 100% ignore Romney's...
...$ gleanings from the porn industry...
...and Romney's commitment to encouraging parents to give up their offspring to "research" & get taxpayers to pay for govt-funded abortions. [More on this on a later post]

1 posted on 04/12/2012 4:14:10 AM PDT by Colofornian
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According to David Rosen at ix.netcom.com, "Romney received an annual fee of $25,000 and stock options while serving on the Marriott board. He also received a campaign contribution of $80,000 arranged by J.W. Marriott. Romney left the board position at some point in 2007 but rejoined after the campaign was over. During the first decade Romney was on the board (1992 on)

So, here was Marriott, offering its rooms as the "theater of choice" to the film distributor, On Command Corporation. And even more recently, what has On Command Corporation, which has since become LodgeNet, offered as titles for Marriott? According to this article -- Marriott Boycotted Over Porn -- published in Oct, 2009: The groups [AIDS Healthcare and Pink Cross Foundations] organized a "porn-in" last night at the Marriott on Figueroa Street downtown to launch the boycott. As we speak, the organizations contend, some businessman in a dark Marriott room somewhere across America is watching Just Explicit Sex, Naughty Office Workers, Mothers Do It Better, or Daddy's Girl Takes it All -- titles they say are offered by the chain, titles that feature condom-free sex.

Now these were no conservative groups boycotting Marriott. In fact, they apparently showed some of these titles as part of their "boycott." The article says it all: "Marriott is certainly not alone among major hotel chains that promote and profit off the sale of unsafe, condom-less adult films to their hotel guests," AIDS Healthcare Foundation president Michael Weinstein states. "However, we want to highlight the brazen hypocrisy--the Mormon Marriott's moral masquerade--of such a so-called family-oriented hotel chain profiteering off adult films that endanger the lives of the performers acting in them."..Former porn actress Shelley Lubben...founded the Pink Cross Foundation to help "victims" of the industry -- the talent -- "recover." Pink Cross claims that, while HIV might be under control in the industry, chlamydia and gonorrhea rates among performers are ten times those of 20- to 24-year-old in Los Angeles County. "I fully support the campaign to require condoms in all porn production, and believe putting public pressure on middlemen such as the Marriott--latter day purveyors of porn who are profiting richly off the depiction of unsafe sexual activity--can only help the health and safety of performers who are forced to work in unsafe and hazardous work conditions every day," Lubben states.

What can we conclude from all of this?
(1) That a porn prostitute and her allies -- all of whom want "condom-correctness" in the part of the porn industry they still endorse-- are more riled up over some aspects of the porn industry and its distributors (i.e. Marriott Hotel chain) than so-called "conservatives" like!!!
(2) While the Lds Church-owned Deseret News took Mitt Romney to task almost five years ago for his board member connection to porn-laden Marriott, note that the Mormon leaders in this way were hypocritical: IOW, while the "journalistic" side of the Lds church took a swing @ Mitt, how did the Lds church itself approach this issue? (Why, they promoted Marriott owner Bill Marriott within the church hierarchy of leaders -- assigning him to be an Area Seventy and a member of the Lds Church's Sixth Quorum of the Seventy -- among the top 70 leaders in the Church. This, despite the fact that the Marriott hotel chain has been in this porn biz for at least 20 years now...tho it announced last year that it was slowly phasing that industry out of its umbrella operations)
(3) I haven't seen FR Romney supporters or other conservative Romney supporters publicly critique Romney for being a long-standing (briefly interrupted) Marriott board member -- tying him to the porn industry. Seems to me that the porn industry has become part of the Republican "Big Tent," the conservative coalition, and is more acceptable to many FReepers than it is to ex-porn prostitutes who still "high fives" much of the porn industry!

2 posted on 04/12/2012 4:15:00 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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For those who are in denial that hotel porn room earnings are somehow "distinct" from being the same thing as "the porn industry," please explain the difference between a porn theater earning $ off of filmed prostitution & a hotel chain like the Marriott.

Imagine you're a "devout Mormon." You've been offered cozy occasional directorship position for a local theater for $25,000 per year.

You find out that the theater shows family-rated fair. But there's a "back entrance" for their XXX showings. You also find out they give $ to Planned Parenthood.

Would you, as an alleged "devout Mormon," continue to take the position knowing that a portion of your salary comes from their porn industry intake? What would you feel knowing that this theater's $ goes to the largest child-killing organization in the world (Planned Parenthood)?

Well, that's Mitt Romney for you. He's done the exact equivalent of the above!!!

Oh...and Mitt's additional tie-in to ensuring Planned Parenthood has been funded? Well, look who's boycotted Marriott due to $ gifts to Planned Parenthood:
Life Decisions International

3 posted on 04/12/2012 4:16:07 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Colofornian

Pornography is the least of our worries


4 posted on 04/12/2012 4:19:57 AM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: Colofornian

A few years ago, Steve Forbes resigned from the Princeton board because their nut faculty member Peter Singer couldn’t shut up advocating infanticide.

Of course the Princeton board doesn’t pay....

In any event, Forbes did the principled thing (perhaps for political reasons, but still, he took a stand).


5 posted on 04/12/2012 4:21:38 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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From my post #3: So here we have a board member of Marriott -- who ensures that Marriott gives $ to Planned Parenthood.

From my post #1: And here -- just last week -- we had a Mormon couple (the Eyres) who wrote in a Mormon mag (Meridian) that: The surprise is that that THING, is actually Mitt’s greatest strength. The thing is called by many different names but is always the same thing: The thing is “Personal morality and values” which is the reason primary voters give for preferring Santorum to Romney. The thing is “Faith and Family” which is Santorum’s theme and logo which he uses to try to separate himself from Mitt. The thing is a “core of beliefs” that the media keeps saying they can’t find in Romney. What we have at this point is Romney winning with the “practical” voters who respect his management and financial ability and think he can fix the economy; and Santorum winning with the “idealistic” voters who want someone with principles, morality, faith and family, and a “core.” Personally, we believe that Santorum is a family oriented person of faith. But this is a similarity and not a contrast with Romney. The irony is that the man who right now is losing the family and values vote is a faithful husband of 42 years...

Tell me...what kind of a supposed "values" candidate shows THE pro-abortion track record below???

YEAR Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney Romney Feigning 'Pro-Life'
Bottom-Line Summary: ANN Romney Lies Thru Her Teeth Ann Romney, 1994: Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation Ann Romney, 2011: In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)
Bottom-Line Summary: Mitt Romney Lies Thru His Teeth “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) + ...”my position was effectively pro-choice." (Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007) So, not only does Ann Romney tell Parade Magazine November 2011 that they've “never changed” re: abortion and that they've “always been pro-life,” but Mitt Romney told Chris Wallace part-way through their 2007 campaign that: “I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice”...This was seven months after he said in January 2007 that he was “always for life.”
Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"
1994 (Campaign) "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support – “sustain” ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word “sustain” for support for their own “prophet” Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007)
1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001 (a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/ann-romneys-planned-parenthood-donation/">Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts 2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)
2002-2004 “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard…(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again? Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?)
2005 May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04! What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine
2006 April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women--including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details). "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates
Early 2007 On January 29, 2007 during South Carolina visit, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true? Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life!
Summer 2007 "I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at '94 & '02 campaigns, both his public statements, his 2002 voter guide responses, & his actions (which are a major form of expression, ya know!) how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?" Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = Whatever he was from '70 when his mom ran as pro-abortion senator & he sided w/ her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion 'inlook' or outlook 'cause he didn't feel "pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer?
December 2007 vs. November 2011 (Pro-treating offspring as research refuse late in previous POTUS campaign vs. now claiming 'never changed...always pro-life' December 4, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law." (Source: Candidates Reveal Their Biggest Mistakes) Any "inquiring minds" want to try wrapping their minds around how a politician in one sentence mentions "adopting" embryos out (yes, a great thing to mention!) -- but then in the very NEXT breath says if a "PARENT" wants to be "pro-choice" (Mitt used the word "decides" which is what "pro-choicers" say they want) "to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable." Say what???? How about 8-month gestationally-aged infants in the womb, Mitt? Or already-born infants, too, Mitt? If a "parent decides they would want to donate one of those...for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable..." No??? What's the 'pro-life' difference, Mitt? Here you call an embryo's mom&dad "parents" -- but "parents" w/ "research" give-away rights? How bizarre we have such a schizophrenic "candidate!" In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)

6 posted on 04/12/2012 4:22:03 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Colofornian

Phrasing!!!


7 posted on 04/12/2012 4:24:17 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: abercrombie_guy_38; NorthernCrunchyCon; All
Pornography is the least of our worries

You miss the contrast I offered in post #1.

The "issue" here is the attempt to "re-image" Romney as a "family values" guy...

Why?

Wouldn't Romney get more of the Independent & Dem vote if he highlighted his ties to the porn industry & abortion industry?

Shouldn't Romney actually be touting this?

The conservative voters have already been dissed & ignored. (They have only the options of voting for a third-party, staying home, or voting Romney)

It's the Independent & Dem voters who are now up for grabs -- as there's just not enough liberal voters to go around to vote for TWO mainstream liberal candidates (Obama & Romney).

So...since a lot of FR Romney supporters & would-be Romney voters have given a strong utilitarian reason to promote Romney (defeat Obama), then they should plug utilitarian strategies like Romney emphasizing his pro-abortion & pro-porn track record.

Forget this "family values" "crap"...who in the GoP-e cares anymore?

8 posted on 04/12/2012 4:29:55 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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Personally I don’t think any candidate should push family values.. Especially the type that cheats on their wives.. The only family value I want from the Government is that they but out of my family..


9 posted on 04/12/2012 4:46:23 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Go Mitt Go!!!)
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To: Colofornian

Two things:
The porn at Mariott and other mainstream hotels is not “hard-core” porn.

It is an edited down porn that doesn’t contain the most graphic images contained in true hard-core stuff.

Also, we as conservatives ought to be somewhat careful of litmus tests for governance of this country. The way every candidate is ripped for some obscure vote or action makes no human on Earth qualified to lead our country.

Not even the Pope or Billy Graham could withstand the micro inspection we have seen.

That being said, I am appalled that Romney is the chosen candidate. Unfortunately, I will again bite the bullet and vote for a losing proposition.

We are left no other choice.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 4:50:58 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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Two things: The porn at Mariott and other mainstream hotels is not “hard-core” porn.

(You sound like an experiential expert who's tested the entire xxx line-up Marriott has had for over 20 years)

11 posted on 04/12/2012 5:04:46 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
Not even the Pope or Billy Graham could withstand the micro inspection we have seen.

(The Pope & Billy Graham have profited from porn on the side...and promoted abortion & taxpayer funded abortions?)

[Not even a "nice try"]

12 posted on 04/12/2012 5:06:22 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: KevinDavis
The only family value I want from the Government is that they but out of my family..

IOW...who cares how the govt defines "family"???...one spouse, two, three, four...any sex...

{That should go well once the Mormon "prophet" brings polygamy back into play with Mitt as his "puppet")

The problem with too many libertarians is that they are morally licentious: Anything goes...no boundaries

13 posted on 04/12/2012 5:09:05 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts; Colofornian
The porn at Mariott and other mainstream hotels is not “hard-core” porn.

It is an edited down porn that doesn’t contain the most graphic images contained in true hard-core stuff.

How does one become an expert on porn? And why would one advertise the fact?


15 posted on 04/12/2012 8:04:55 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
Pornography is the least of our worries


What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?
 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
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Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

16 posted on 04/12/2012 9:36:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
Not even the Pope or Billy Graham could withstand the micro inspection we have seen.

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

December 11st, 2011

 

URGENT!

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about a certain Colorfornicator (or something like that), who is REALLY giving us a hard time there.
 
Why not try to point out to the uninformed how OBSESSED he seems to be.
 
Let's see if we can tangle him up so much trying to defend his reputation that he'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.
 
As always, Tommy M.

17 posted on 04/12/2012 9:39:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: All
 

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

May 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

...to stay on our mantra:       We ARE Christians!!
 
 
We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!
 
We MUST keep the media constantly informed of those things the world considers christian.
We must NOT allow our MORMONness to show thru, as it has gotten a really bad rap thru history - lord only knows why...
 
Tommy
 


18 posted on 04/12/2012 9:39:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
Unfortunately, I will again bite the bullet and vote for a losing proposition.

We are left no other choice.

SURE we have!

We can march on RNC Headquarters (whereever it is) and throw the bums (whoever they are) OUT!

19 posted on 04/12/2012 9:41:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it


20 posted on 04/12/2012 9:43:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

Obama will use this against Romney if Willard is the candidate chosen by the GOP.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 9:56:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: greyfoxx39; Bartholomew Roberts
The porn at Mariott and other mainstream hotels is not “hard-core” porn. It is an edited down porn that doesn’t contain the most graphic images contained in true hard-core stuff. [Barthomolew Roberts]

How does one become an expert on porn? And why would one advertise the fact? [greyfoxx39]

Exactly.

That must have been a LOT of 1-night stands with a remote controller in thousands of Marriott hotel rooms over 20 years to determine that kind of authoritative experiential "distinction"

This whole Romney smut enterprise and its apparent customers -- like commentators we see in here = paying Marriott for the right to be a peeping tom while Marriott passed on these payments to pimps who filmed prostitutes. It's tantamount to voyeur employment of prostitutes.

24 posted on 04/12/2012 10:02:04 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Elsie
We can march on RNC Headquarters (whereever it is) and throw the bums (whoever they are) OUT!

Go for it! Keep me posted on all your successes in removing Romney! I'm sure Colofornian will be glad to loan you his Westboro signs for your protests (if you don't already have your own set.)

25 posted on 04/12/2012 10:09:56 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Colofornian
It only takes one second of clear, conscious thought and an understanding of words and reality - not 20 years and a remote.

I might suggest you not attempt to warp reality to fit your own ends. It is not very becoming for a supposed Christian. And it makes you look like a zealot and a buffoon.

How many definitional quotes will you need?

Hardcore film makers will sometimes make edited softcore versions of their films for the hotel pay-per-view market, cutting in less explicit angles of the sex scenes.[6] ^ Martin Amis (2001-03-17). "A rough trade". guardian.co.uk. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4153718,00.html. Retrieved 2009-04-10.

26 posted on 04/12/2012 10:35:32 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts; greyfoxx39
From your quote: Hardcore film makers will SOMETIMES make edited softcore versions...

Well, I've got a choice here:

I can either think that you intentionally skew quotes to fit your previous authoritative answer...

Why go there? Surely you know what the word "sometimes" means...You wouldn't use a "sometimes" qualified statement to justify your rather authoritative comment issued earlier, would you?

I don't think so. I think you're too smart for that.

So...if this quote still can't justify your earlier rather authoritative statement...what choice do you leave us but to yield to your experiential authority???

(Of course, you can always retract your authoritative statement as not being as authoritative as you pretended...either way, your FR rep's not whatever it was when you entered into this thread...which is what happens when people first pretend to be an "expert" on Hotel porn -- and then use spurious "sometimes" comments to backtrack & try to justify their earlier "expert witness" status)

27 posted on 04/12/2012 10:52:32 AM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: Colofornian

Beat me to it, lol. Sound experienced to me.


28 posted on 04/12/2012 11:01:46 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: Colofornian
ROFL. SIC em! good response.

It went from "EXPERT" to "SOMETIMES EXPERT", does that work? Then that would lead to a "SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT", can the three of them be one and the same? hmmmm, just curious.

Which will eventually lead to "WHAT THE HECK possessed me to make a comment in the first place? ROFL.

29 posted on 04/12/2012 11:11:32 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: Colofornian
You are as bad at grammar as you are with the facts.

Since not all of the pornographers' films are made into softcore for the hotel trade, sometimes their films are made into softcore.

Of course you can read that but are trying to obfuscate.

Get over it.

30 posted on 04/12/2012 11:33:09 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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31 posted on 04/12/2012 12:43:17 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
I earned an undergrad BA in Journalism/Photojournalism from University of Kentucky;

NOW I understand!

32 posted on 04/12/2012 2:56:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
might suggest you not attempt to warp reality to fit your own ends.

(Should I?????)

Nah...

Sometimes ya just gotta let them softballs go right on by...

33 posted on 04/12/2012 2:58:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Wow, I didn’t think you were bright enough to get that.

Congratulations!


34 posted on 04/12/2012 3:07:26 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
Wow, I didn’t think you were bright enough to get that.

You seem to be doing a lot of that lately...

35 posted on 04/12/2012 4:21:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ConservativeDude
In any event, Forbes did the principled thing (perhaps for political reasons, but still, he took a stand).

Well, you see, you need principles to be able to make this kind of decision. Romney...?

36 posted on 04/12/2012 4:25:26 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Elsie

I have to go back to my original post and go from there.

You and your buddy seem to think you can state (or worse yet - proclaim) that I am wrong in my statements that mainsteam hotel chains do not show hardcore pornography.

They do not.

I have provided a source that proves my point but it was distorted in replies. I can provide 5 additional sources. I can provide 10 additional sources.

You cannot provide any sources that mainsteam hotel chains do show hardcore pornography.

You can throw all the insults and Bible passages you can conjure up but it doesn’t change the facts.

I have thought through and described the truth clearly. Your powers of understanding are just not up to the task.


37 posted on 04/12/2012 4:50:23 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
Your powers of understanding are just not up to the task.

Uh...

What was the definition of HARDCORE again??

38 posted on 04/12/2012 7:38:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
Great comparison table! Abortion is an issue that MOST Evangelicals as well as Conservative Catholics say holds a major place in their decision for whom to vote. That Romney AND his wife think they can lie and obfuscate their way into the election only shows what little regard they have for the intelligence and values of those they say they represent. I will NOT vote for anyone who doesn't grasp the right-to-life as THE preeminent right or who only pretends to hold to that understanding. If they will lie about that, they will lie about ANYTHING!
39 posted on 04/12/2012 10:03:12 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Elsie

Dear Ask Tommy

There are a few deletions in this thread.

Do the Mormon porn gods know why ???

Puzzled in Provo
_______________________________________

Dear P in P

I have referred your excellent query to the resident expert Elsie

Ask Tommy


40 posted on 04/18/2012 5:44:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’ve slept since then.

It’s fairly well dead anyway - the players have left...


41 posted on 04/18/2012 2:31:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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42 posted on 04/18/2012 3:09:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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