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1 posted on 05/11/2012 10:57:04 AM PDT by ReligiousLibertyTV
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The public is generally not aware of how thoroughly the theory of evolution has been debunked over the past century. No normal science theory would survive such a history.


2 posted on 05/11/2012 11:04:27 AM PDT by varmintman
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How many here think it’s a clear cut sin not to reject the old earth theories outright?


3 posted on 05/11/2012 11:04:50 AM PDT by DManA
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“the theory of evolution is as strongly supported as the theory of gravity and the theory that infectious diseases are caused by micro-organisms.”

*snort!*

Go on, pull the other one!
12 posted on 05/11/2012 11:26:49 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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This is unacceptable.

The renowned brain surgeon will need to go to a re-education facility.

Intolerance will not be tolerated.


14 posted on 05/11/2012 11:29:26 AM PDT by lurk
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I don’t care one way or the other. As Christians we are required to believe in the Apostles Creed, which does not contain any affirmations about how old the earth is or whether humans were created instantaneously or over millions of years.


20 posted on 05/11/2012 11:44:54 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (So)
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I don’t have much of a science background, but the problem I have with evolution generally is that it is hard for me to understand that genetics is that unstable and even if it is, why would a living thing mutate into something more complex rather than just breaking down.


31 posted on 05/11/2012 12:15:18 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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If secularists can reduce us to mere animals they can do anything to us.


34 posted on 05/11/2012 12:43:08 PM PDT by Oratam
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“overwhelming” evidence of “ape-human transitional fossils”

Yeah, like NONE!

“the theory of evolution is as strongly supported as the theory of gravity and the theory that infectious diseases are caused by micro-organisms.”

Strongly supported? What does that mean? That a lot of Godless leftists support it, then I guess that is a true statement though meant to deceive.

“....fact of science” .....”mythos of their faith”.????

More like the mythos of their science” .....” fact of our faith.

The trouble here is as with everything else, THE MEDIA. They report leftist views as scientific fact (when they are anything but scientific) and report religious views as crazy.

39 posted on 05/11/2012 1:34:27 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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From the article:
"In 2010, Gallup released a poll that found that 40% of Americans believe in strict creationism, the idea that humans were created by God in their present form within the past 10,000 years.
Thirty-eight percent believe that God guided the process of human evolution from lower life forms over millions of years, and only 16% believe that humans evolved without divine intervention.
Sixty percent of those who attend church weekly believe that we were created less than 10,000 years ago.

Gallup notes that the numbers have remained generally stable for the past 28 years."

This is despite the fact that about 80% of Christian denominations (by membership) accept theistic evolutionism.
Theistic evolution, in short, means God created & directed the processes of evolution to achieve His plan.

"This view is generally accepted by [note the chart in link] major Christian churches, including the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and some [actually most if not all] mainline Protestant denominations; virtually all Jewish denominations; and other religious groups that lack a literalist stance concerning some holy scriptures.

"Various biblical literalists have accepted or noted openness to this stance, including theologian B.B. Warfield and evangelist Billy Graham...

"...All of the traditional mainline Protestant denominations support or accept theistic evolution.
For example, on 12 February 2006, the 197th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth was commemorated by "Evolution Sunday" where the message that followers of Christ do not have to choose between biblical stories of creation and evolution was taught in classes and sermons at many Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Congregationalist, United Church of Christ, Baptist and community churches.[16]

"Additionally, the National Council of Churches USA has issued a teaching resource to

    'assist people of faith who experience no conflict between science and their faith and who embrace science as one way of appreciating the beauty and complexity of God's creation.'
"This resource cites the Episcopal Church, according to whom the stories of creation in Genesis
    'should not be understood as historical and scientific accounts of origins but as proclamations of basic theological truths about creation.' "
The Roman Catholic church especially has a long history of respect for science, going back to Saints Augustine and Aquinas.

So the statistic that only about half (see chart noted above) of all Catholics, mainline Protestants and Eastern Orthodox -- denominations which account for 80% of all Christians -- only half accept their church's teachings on theistic evolution might tell us something...

52 posted on 05/12/2012 2:30:36 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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This is an worthwhile discussion and I am reading all the comments with interest. I don't want to get off on a side-track, but I thought I'd mention this one inaccuracy early in the article:

"In Catholic thought, this has been interpreted to provide room for the concept that human beings were created over millions of years through evolution, and that God ultimately provided pre-existing, pre-created souls to those He designated and that these souls reconnect to God through practicing the sacraments. "

This is a fairly serious misconstrual of Catholic doctrine. There is nothing whatsoever in the Catholic faith that points to the supposed existence of "pre-existing, pre-created" human souls. in fact, from a Catholic anthropological point of view, this is simply unintelligible.

The Catholic Church teaches that it is precisely the soul which makes a material "thing" (matter) a living human person: it is the "form" of the body. Therefore it is created immediately by God upon the formation of a new human body, i.e. at conception (since the zygote, even at one cell, IS a body,and IS ensouled, which is to say, alive.)

Anyone could have learned this in 2 minutes with a few mouse-clicks to the Catholic Catechism (Link). I was surprised to see this rather egregious blunder, and I hope it does not suggest an overall casualness about accuracy in this article.

56 posted on 05/12/2012 6:30:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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Overtime, Protestants and Catholics may have adjusted somewhat to the science. It was advocates of the science that attacked Chrisitianity based on their prebiased Atheistic views regarding science...never mind the fact that pure scientific inquiry and reasoning can allow no views regarding tautologies....that is arguements or concepts that can’t be proven true or false. The antireligious Fabian types are picking the fight with religion, not the other way around!

Attacking Christians’ biases in their reasoning based on their belief in the transcendent, the so called atheist scientists as well as the science writer wannabe activists are not being intellectually coherent about their own biases. The current view of these pseudo scientific skeptics is that any arguement that can’t be proven, tested or argued true or false, or “falsified” must therefore be considered automatically false. Thusly, such scientists holding to such transcendent beliefs are not worthy to be considered “relevant” or “true to the scientific method” according to the elitist “tut tut” types of the scientific establishment. Not only that, but angry emotional scorn must always be heaped upon such folk who believe that God has a place in scientific inquiry.

True reason points out yes and no, this or that, type alternatives in rational arguements but the reasoning process must neverbe the impetus in justifying bias. A tautology can’t be proven true or false and true science can never speak to it per se. Yet, while there is nothing in the scientific method that says a scientist in testing principles should draw inspiration and bias from the belief in the Transcendent God, it would be also false for the pre biased God skeptic to claim that a scientist can’t believe in God and do good science...that is while trying to base his anti god bias on that same scientific method.

A scientist who truly believes in God, believes in self honesty, and knows his own pre biases; such an one won’t make short cuts in testing principles leading to new discoveries. He may feel that his belief in God is justified by the order around him and in nature yet he is aware that even Reason herself can only carry him so far to the TRUTH. Such a person also recognizes an epistomological gap between knowledge of an object and the object itself, that only faith not reason can bridge!


264 posted on 06/26/2012 7:58:31 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Not left wing! Not right wing! But....CHRIST WING!)
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