This how the vote goes in left-wing Maine for example.
Posted on 05/17/2012 4:18:46 PM PDT by Salvation
Because He told us to. We Catholics do not scrub all of scripture through our finite and fallible minds and reject or modify what we find difficult. We have faith in Him and believe.
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8.
Peace be with you.
It's my job...I'm a Christian...
But which Ignatius wrote that??? The original one or the forger who added all the Catholic references 250 years after the real Ignatius died???
Well, I suppose that would give different numbers for the Catholic vote if your suggestion was followed.
Don’t count the Catholics that vote democrat, and do count people that have left the Catholic church and become Evangelical Protestants.
I think the real purpose of studying how people vote, is to do it as it is done today, people want to know how Catholics vote, and how Evangelicals vote, how Jews vote, women, and so on.
No, it’s not your job. You’ve attributed more importance to yourself than you deserve. If you were a true Christian, you would already know the answer. Why don’t you pull out your Bible and look it up? You learn more by doing it yourself. Start with Matthew. Also the Cathechism of the Catholic Church. You’d be surprised at the wealth of information you can learn from reading it.
Another interesting thing is to see how the Hispanic vote moves right when they leave the Catholic church and become Protestants.
Bush won 56% of their vote in 2004, Obama won 52% of their vote, and 54% of the total Catholic vote.
All I am looking for is a little intellectual honesty. Facts are stubborn things and no matter how badly you want the facts to corroborate your prejudices you can't situationally change the definitions mid-argument for convenience and maintain any credibility. You cannot count nonpracticing Catholics who vote Democrat as Catholics when you don't count nonpracticing Catholics who vote conservative as non-Catholics.
Peace be with you.
Do you have any proof?
What proof do you have that when Hispanics, or anyone else for that matter, leave the Catholic Church they automatically become Protestant? Are you claiming the voting records of those who become Muslims, secular humanists and atheists too?
“While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” - Matthew 26:26
”While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” - Mark 14:22
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”- Luke 22:19
For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. 1 Corinthians 11:23-26
Since Christ Himself has said, "This is My Body" who shall dare to doubt that It is His Body?" - St. Cyril of Jerusalem
Are you saying they have all conspired in the lie?
Intellectual honesty means counting the Catholic vote, it is a single church, with a single teaching, and a single culture, not a collection of churches of vast diversity such as the category “Protestant”, it does not mean giving a purity test to see if they should be excommunicated by the church and forbidden to identify as Catholics, and removed from being counted as Catholic by the Vatican, all according to some guys personal definition of purity.
Whoever said such a thing?
Hispanics that are Catholic, or that leave the Catholic church to become atheists, vote pretty similar to each other, but the ones who leave to become Protestant, become more conservative voters, such as the Hispanic Protestant vote going 56% Republican in 2004, and 48% republican in 2008.
It is a single Church only to the extent that its adherents are in communion with it. You can no more declare yourself a Catholic than you can declare yourself an NFL quarterback. As Socrates said: "To do is to be." If you claim that every church shopping and hopping Protestant is somehow intrinsically different than every lapsed and ex-Catholic you are going to have to substantiate that more thoroughly than simply pointing me to a website stuffed with irrelevant polling data.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21
This is a purity argument, a theological argument, it has nothing to do with gathering voting numbers for Catholic voters, or Jews, or Protestants, or Muslims, or Mormons, etc.
The day the Vatican starts purging it’s rolls and offering a different set of numbers for how many Catholics are on the planet, then you can request pollsters to ask the Catholic voter if he is no longer Catholic, or has been told by the Vatican that he has been removed from being counted as Catholic, then the pollster can not count him as Catholic.
Just ask how many Catholics there are worldwide. Catholics are certainly happy enough to count everyone who has ever been a baptized Catholic when it comes to tallying up their 1.2 billion strong.
For that matter, I'll bet I'M still on Catholic rolls. I never told them I left and nobody ever noticed I was missing and tried to contact me about it.
And it's no surprise. What with the way the priests rotated through the parish, there's no way to keep track of all the parishioners. Heck, we couldn't keep track of the priests and there were far fewer of them than us.
Since you have steadfastly refuse to state which church or denomination you now belong to its anybody's guess. Besides, your journey isn't yet over so there is no sense coming to a premature conclusion. The Church will welcome you back when you are done with whatever it is you are trying to teach them by your absence.
"One who seeks the Church seeks Christ." - St. Ambrose of Milan
May the Peace of Christ be with your spirit.
Let me get this straight; you are conducting a conservative Christian purity test, but are objecting to a purity test within your purity test?
This how the vote goes in left-wing Maine for example.
Then you should have no problem defining your terms and isolating your variables. What significance to your point or to anything else does your little chart have? ts just more unfounded agenda driven conjecture and doesn't even cite a source or state that the data is from Maine. Since Maine is considered the least religious state and began with an exceedingly small Catholic minority this doesn't even pass the so what test. The Pew data suggests that, in order to preserve a conservative republic we should all convert to Mormonism. Are you endorsing that?
Peace be with you.
Baptized, self identified Catholics vote liberal.
Self identified Protestants, whether baptized or not tend to vote conservative.
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