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To: Natural Law
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8.

 But which Ignatius wrote that???  The original one or the forger who added all the Catholic references 250 years after the real Ignatius died???

223 posted on 05/21/2012 9:21:32 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
" But which Ignatius wrote that???"

“While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” - Matthew 26:26

”While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” - Mark 14:22

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”- Luke 22:19

For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. 1 Corinthians 11:23-26

Since Christ Himself has said, "This is My Body" who shall dare to doubt that It is His Body?" - St. Cyril of Jerusalem

Are you saying they have all conspired in the lie?

230 posted on 05/21/2012 10:47:23 AM PDT by Natural Law ("AMOR VINCIT OMNIA")
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To: Iscool

Didn’t get an answer yet, did you?

I hope you weren’t really expecting one.


245 posted on 05/21/2012 2:30:36 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Iscool; metmom
" But which Ignatius wrote that???"

There are 13 letters of which 7 are undisputed. Those are:

- Ephesus
- Magensia
- Tralles
- Rome
- Philadelphia
- Smyrna
- Personal letter to Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna

The quote I provided is from his letter to Smyrna, one of the uncontested letters.

Now that we are on the subject of forgeries can you tell me who wrote St. Paul's Letters to the Colossians, the Ephesians, the Hebrews, the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians and the Pastoral Epistles. Does it really matter if they write the truth whose ultimate author is the Holy Spirit??

(If you do your own homework you will benefit from it)

Peace be with you.

247 posted on 05/21/2012 2:46:21 PM PDT by Natural Law ("AMOR VINCIT OMNIA")
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