Posted on 06/16/2012 5:45:41 PM PDT by Salvation
Comments?
As death finds you so shall the judgement.
Amen. The particular judgment at the moment of our death. And the Final Judgment at the Second Coming of Christ.
Amen. The particular judgment at the moment of our death. And the Final Judgment at the Second Coming of Christ.
I do not believe purgatory is biblical, I find no example of it in the bible, therefore it causes greater anguish to pray for those who have lost all hope.
As to the poem ...
1) I do not agree with the theology it expresses. If I did agree with it, I would be protestant, because it expressed Protestant theology. I have no doubt that protestants will come along on this thread to inform us that they're right and we're wrong ... in pre-emption: Hey Protestants! We're right and you're wrong.
2) Even if I did agree with the theology in the poem, I would still dislike it ... it's really syrupy. Bleh!
Same here, TLLo’M, I think your fate is sealed once you die. I don’t find purgatory biblical.
Oh, if you want to get people angry, tell them their pets are not in Heaven. They’ll fuss at that more than if you tell them Grampa isn’t in Heaven.
There’s nothing in Scripture that indicates our animals will meet us in Heaven but you’ll be taking your life in your hands if you tell most people that.
Well, I’m Protestant, and I agree with you about why the poem’s theology is wrong, I just also happen to disagree with you about praying for the dead.
That being said, pretty much my entire family is Catholic, and I’ve attended plenty of Catholic funeral services where the priest assured the assembled family that their departed loved one was in a better place. Maybe the priests didn’t really believe that theologically, but I think, in that situation, both Protestants and Catholics tend to care more about comforting the grieving than being theologically accurate.
How about the quote from Jesus: “Until you have paid the last penny.”
He wasn’t talking about hell.
Purgatory
Mt 5:48 - be perfect as your
heavenly Father is perfect
Heb 12:14 - strive for that holiness without which cannot see God
Jam 3:2 - we all fall short in many respects
Rev 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven
Jam 1:14-15 - when sin reaches maturity gives birth to death
2Sam 12:13-14 - David, though forgiven, still punished for his sin
Mt 5:26 - you will not be released until paid last penny
Mt 12:32 - sin against Holy Spirit unforgiven in this age or next
Mt 12:36 - account for every idle word of judgment day
2Macc 12:44-46 - atoned for dead to free them from sin
1Cor 3:15 - suffer loss, but saved as through fire
1Pet 3:18-20; 4:6 - Jesus preached to spirits in prison
2Tim 1:16-18 - Paul prays for dead friend Onesiphorus
So true, but then again, there I don’t think there are any verses saying they definitely aren’t going to be there, and I don’t see any real harmful repercussion from people believing in that wishful thinking, so I just hold my tongue.
Here are some biblical references that are used to support the concept of Purgatory.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.html
The mistake is in assuming that there is time in Purgatory and Heaven. The dead are not in Purgatory for a certain number of days, hours, and minutes that corresponds to time here on earth, so we can’t say “It’s been twenty years since Jerry died, he must have been purified and been received into heaven by this time.” The dead must perceive these things in a very different way than we do.
This is a long-used familiar POEM intended to convey comfort to the family and friends of the departed....
It's doubtful the poet intended to make a doctrinal treatise of any sort.
Such offerings of printed literature in the Order of Service ... or special music... are usually the wishes of the deceased-- or the preference of the family.
...and therefore not intended to serve as religious instruction for the congregation.
“Safely Home” has been been much comfort to me since July 1970 at my mothers death.
The Apostle Paul wrote:”If there be any consolation in Christ, if any comfort (and there is in our Lord Jesus Christ) Philippians 2:1a
On that tract the verse: “Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His Saints.” (Psalms 116:15) I found another verse:”.....as I live saith the LORD God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked,....” (Ezekiel 33:11c)
All can have confidence in Our God and Saviour’s words.
Again the Apostle letters “to the Saints” in the Churches: In Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi etc.
We can confidently claim: “Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good word in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.” (Philippians 1:6)
Adding mortal man’s approval is vain, mortal men die.
We have a Saviour that had no sin but died for sinners. And He is sitting at the right hand of God, “everliving to make intercession for us.” (Hebrews 7:23-28)
Catholic Ping!
There is no direct statement although I think Matthew 7:6 might be a clue. If dogs are not to receive what is holy, it could be argued either that dogs are not in need of salvation because they are incapable of sin or dogs are merely earthly creatures without eternal souls.
Well, Matthew 7:6 is a metaphor, I think you may be reading too much into it.
The poem made my teeth ache.
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