The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created BY Him.
The lds-org is a thief of the Name and the Truth of Jesus Christ.
Posted on 06/19/2012 10:07:14 AM PDT by Colofornian
Washington- Mitt Romney's Earthly goals seem to mesh nicely with his goals as a high priest in the Mormon church. But why don't we pretend to let the presumptive GOP candidate tell us himself, which he would if he were interested in discussing his religion.
Hello. I’m Mitt Romney. I am a Temple Mormon, a High Priest, and as such I have sworn blood oaths of sacrifice, obedience and consecration to the church and the “Kingdom of God.” My perfect obedience to these laws will allow me to become a god in the next life, the literal father of the peoples of a new and different earth. I am truly a Presidential candidate with an actual, definable god complex. What I say about politics are things I have actually said. What I say about Mormonism is compiled from official Mormon texts and websites.
Since prophets have said I am destined to be your president, it is important to know what I believe.
1. We can fix the economy if we have fewer cops, firefighters and teachers.
2. I made Massachusetts drop from 36th to 47th out of the 50 state in jobs when I was governor. I want to do the same for America.
3. Mormon leaders call our empire the “Kingdom of God.” However, our “God” is an extraterrestrial from Kolob; and the “Zion” to which our spirit-brother-of-Lucifer Jesus Christ will return to reign is Independence, Missouri. Buy land there NOW!
4. When I’m elected, and you try to get insurance with a preexisting condition, you’re screwed.
5. It’s a sin to drink coffee.
6. I love when trees are the "right height."
7. I don’t know what a donut is.
8. We can balance the budget by increasing spending on defense and cutting taxes the wealthy by raising taxes and cutting benefits for the poor and middle class.
9. God has a flesh and blood body. And he’s just one of several Gods.
10. I don’t remember what I said, but I stand by it.
11. The Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri. It’s STILL a nice place.
12. I will make more jobs. It’s not just because I love job creators, it’s because I love jobs.
13. Obama modeled the Affordable Care Act after what I did in Massachusetts. That means it’s bad.
14. I wear special underwear, like all Mormons. But I’m not allowed to speak of it.
15. God commands against lying. But it’s OK when I lie about what Obama says because he’s a negro and negroes weren’t even human until the 12 Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints said they were in 1978, which is after Obama was born, so YOU do the math.
16. Gay marriage is wrong. The definition of marriage was set by God as one man to one woman.
17. My great-grandfather had several wives.
18. My great-great grandfather was one of the original Mormon apostles, and HE had 12 wives.
19. I believe we can get health care to act more like a consumer market, and if we do that and we stop making it like a big government-managed utility, we’re going to see better prices, lower costs and better care. It’s happened everywhere we’ve applied consumer-market principles. Like… the oil companies. Have you ever paid LESS for a gallon of gas than you are now?
20. “I believe that states have responsibility to care for people in the way they feel best. It’s important for us, in my view, to make sure that every American has access to good health care. And no, saying that the government should make sure every American has access to good health care while saying that the states have the responsibility to care for people in the way they feel best are NOT mutually exclusive statements.”
21. If your marriage is sealed in the temple, then you will be married forever, in whichever of the three heavens God decides you belong in.
22. Oh, and when you die as a Mormon, you get your own planet and become a God. Really.
23. We were all spirits before we were born and lived with God, who used to be a human but attained Godhood. God sent us to Earth at a time predetermined by him so we could get experiences that we couldn’t possibly get hanging out with God, who is capable of all things, except, of course, for providing us with experiences that we can only get on Earth. Although you WERE worthy to live with God as a spirit BEFORE he sent you to Earth, you have to live on EARTH to PROVE you are worthy to hang out with God forever. See? It’s easy when you stop TRYING to think.
24. The LDS Church teaches that at the end of the world everyone will be resurrected. They also believe that almost everyone will go to heaven, which is divided up into three main levels. Bad people go to the lowest, the Telestial Kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 76:81-86). Good people, who were not Mormons, will go to the middle level, the Terrestrial Kingdom (D&C 76:71-79). Mormons will go to the highest level, the Celestial Kingdom (D&C 76:50-70). However, only those who merit the highest part of the Celestial Kingdom will have Eternal Life [the ability to live in a marriage relationship and continue to beget children—see D&C 132:20-24, also see Mormons Hope to Become Gods of Their Own Worlds]. All others have immortality [which is defined as the ability to live forever in a single condition, not married and no future children] but do not have Eternal Life. One must be married in the LDS temple and then obey all of the Mormon regulations to get to the highest degree of heaven. The first time a Mormon attends the temple endowment ceremony he/she will be given a new name [usually a Bible name like Peter or Mary or the name of European royalty]. These will supposedly be their names in eternity. The wife must tell her husband her new name, and no one else, as he is supposed to call her up in the resurrection. If he does not call her up she would still resurrect, but not as his wife. When a Mormon returns to the temple, on various occasions, to go through the endowment ceremony, he/she will stand in by proxy for a dead person. For instance, a man may be going through the ritual in behalf of his dead uncle. A new temple name would be assigned to the dead person, which could be Joseph, David, Paul, etc. In the case of a dead woman, a Mormon woman would stand in by proxy for her, and the dead woman would be given a new temple name, like Rachael, Eve, Rebecca, etc.
25. My ultimate goal is not the Presidency. It is, like all Mormons, to become a god and procreate for all eternity. Lotsa boinkin’! Woo hah!
Now, let's enjoy a brief video about how I was flummoxed while trying to identify a tasty-appearing chocolate-covered pastry devices. They look quite delicious, I’m telling ya!
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The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created BY Him.
The lds-org is a thief of the Name and the Truth of Jesus Christ.
Well, we actually agree here -- to some degree -- we just apply lines & boundaries in apparently distinct places.
For example, I would say that your advocacy -- and others, for example, politically ...results in success for the agenda of the current Republican RINO regime. I would add your phrase "We are required to seriously consider the results of our actions as well as the actions themselves" to that as well.
You see, AnyBODY WHO CARTE-BLANCHE -- with no state-by-state qualifiers -- advocates Romney is indeed highly promoting RINOism as the complete takeover of conservatism...for which they will be held accountable by God for such political relativism.
There is no need to advocate for conservatives on the Left Coast -- or Nevada, NY, NJ, Maryland, parts of New England to vote for Romney, who will lose those states, anyway. Thus, the hand of the GoP-E in those states...however weak...remains...
There is no need to advocate for FREEPER conservatives in the Southern states (except Florida) -- or Western states -- or many Midwestern states ... to vote for Romney. I'm talking about those states in which Obama has no chance. FREEPERs in these states who vote for Romney vs. principle merely strengthen the regime hand of RINOism.
I can make strong cases even advocating for Romney in swing states is a pro-liberal, pro-RINO, pro-big govt, pro-govt healthcare, pro-abort thing to do...but I'm choosing here at least to argue on the SAME grounds those who are voting on an anti basis argue: Practical Utilitarian Political Relativism.
Furthermore, D-fendr, IF you and I agree on these verses' implications -- that the so-called "political" rule of this world extends further than we think (and I'm not just talking about God)...
* 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Cor. 4:4)
* 19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)
And...IF that rule can readily extend itself in various ways via the false god of THE leader of the free world...
Then...your application is applied even with "boundaries" you weren't even thinking about -- namely Satan's regime -- when you said:
...your advocacy results in success for the agenda of the current regime. We are required to seriously consider the results of our actions as well as the actions themselves.
(I'm not running for THE leader of the free world, am I?)
All heretics’ theology includes a false god or false view of the true God
(Which doesn't simply translate to things floating about in ethereal region...but translates to real prayers -- to true and false gods...answered or neglected...and to real guidance and counsel offered -- or denied -- by the living God)
Tell me something...does the Bible tell us to glorify God with only theological and religious things?...or are we to glorify God in all we do? Then tell me: Is the TRUE God (or Christ) usually glorified by the actions of a heretic who would give credit for his good works to a flesh-and-bones guy who was once a sinner and eventually got the God job?
I wouldn’t exclude them from consideration for public office whether they be LDS, Jew, Deist, Dispensationalist, Calvinist, etc.
We're not talking about running for your local dog catcher here; but leader of the free world...Nor, btw, do I detect ANY national campaign sweeping across America to preclude Mormons, Jews, deists, dispensationalists, and Calvinists to run for your local dog-catcher.
IOW...you raise here -- by perfect innuendo -- a straw man...addressing some political office "crusade" that I see nobody on...Where are the crusaders of such a strawman campaign?
...I’m not voting for them for a clerical position, but a public one.
How "neat" that would work if you could reduce "ministry" (which just means "service") to some "religious" mechanism...as if 'twas only some parochial duty. (Guess you better get on the Britons' case for calling their leaders "Prime MINISTERS" ... comes a wee bit too close to "clerical" service, eh?)
I don’t see how actions that help further the survival of the Obama regime glorifies God. Just the opposite.
So, again, I don’t think your argument occupies the moral or spiritual high ground.
No, you’re not running for office, but you seem to be saying only those who share your Christology, your view of the One True God, should be voted for. So whether your views are heretical matters - if one is to decide whether to follow your pronouncements.
If applied consistently under the axiom of “true God,” your logic would include not voting for Jews because they are Jews and deists because they are deists.
I don’t think you would support this, which illustrates that your argument requires a subjective twist. Which makes it not a very effective argument.
thanks for your reply.
Never said that...Besides, I already told you (on another thread) there are Jews who worship the same God Christians do...
That would hardly qualify as some claim to vote for only those who share my Christology.
All I can conclude then...is either your memory can't extend even to a week ago...
Or, since this is the second strawman you have introduced in this thread, apparently you have some difficulty in addressing the REAL concerns as expressed within this thread and therefore have had to create weak ones to try to bolster your points.
Wasn’t one of your main points that he pray to the One True God? Wouldn’t this require that he share your view of the One True God?
>>” there are Jews who worship the same God Christians do...”
Then they would be Christians.
In looking the previous thread, your emphasis was “saving-faith” relationship with the True God, relationship with, etc. rather than my ‘pray to...’
I think the point remains the same.
So are you claiming that my view of the ONE True God -- and say, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's view of the One True God -- has to be in perfect alignment -- or else all those prayers they uttered in the Old Testament need to somehow need to have "white-out" applied to them???
I’m saying that Christians believe God is the Most Holy Trinity, the Triune God.
I think your argument here is becoming quite thin. I would think the response is obvious, but I’ll be brief:
Do practicing Jews hold that Jesus is God?
Do practicing Jews believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Do (orthodox) Christians share their views above?
Therefore, are the two religions view of the One True God the same or different?
Are you sure?
Please state what is hate and what are distortions.
You make the charge, tell us what is correct then.
Did Old Testament practicing Jews believe in a special Angel of the Lord theophany + THE Messiah to come?
Do practicing Jews believe the Holy Spirit is God?
After reading these verses, what do you think?
* Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (Isaiah 63:10)
* Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. (Psalm 51:11)
You have to remember that the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law distorted parts of that faith; therefore, a Jewish candidate can either go "liberal" -- like many Jews do today...or they can go "Pharisee" like...legalistic...or they can recover the faith of the One True God of the Old Testament -- one that reveals the Holy Spirit (Is. 63:10; Ps. 51:11) as well as the Messiah.
Bottom-line: TRUE Judaism doesn't discount Isaiah 63:10 and Psalm 51:11. And, as for the Messiah, if somebody thinks He only suddenly appeared on the Jewish scene about 2,000 years ago, may I recommend a few books?
* Christ B.C.: Becoming Closer Friends with the Hidden Christ of the Old Testament by Bill Myers (Regal Books)
* Knowing Jesus Through the Old Testament by Christopher J.H. Wright (InterVarsity Press)
Therefore, are the two religions view of the One True God the same or different?
(Surely by now you've heard the term, Judeo-Christian right???)
So there is no difference between Jewish and Christian theology? If not, what is the difference?
Are you really going to argue that Jews are really Christians believing in the Triune God?
Thanks for your reply.
“I don’t see how actions that help further the survival of the Obama regime glorifies God. “
Obama = Romney. They both support spending trillions of dollars on healthcare. They both support Bernanke, Keynesian economics, big government, amnesty, and pathological lying. Ergo, it doesn’t matter. No matter who you vote for (or don’t vote for) we’re going to collapse the way the Europeans are doing now... and it’s not going to be pretty.
Once our economy is disfigured permanently, we won’t be able to afford to fund defense spending. Which, perhaps, was the point all along. We will be vulnerable, therefore, to a Russian and Chinese first strike.
So not only do we have serfdom to look forward to, but possibly losing a world war.
Mittens thinks he is going to establish Zion for the LDS, but the schmuck is an economic moron just like Obama with no real reforms being offered. Romney being a Mormon wouldn’t be so noticeable an issue as it is if he wasn’t also so utterly immoral. He sabotaged Palin so Obama could get the Presidency, and he lies to our faces and says whatever needs to be said to get the vote. It makes his cult all the more obvious.
(Never said there was...anymore than I would contend that "there's no difference between Christian denominational theologies" ... Calvinists, for example, stress more the sovereignty of God than an Arminian)
Now am I saying Judaism is "just another" Christian denom? (No) Am I saying that some Jews worship the same God Christians do? (Yes)
You seem to get hung up on the phrase "the study of" (theology)
Lots of illiterates thru the centuries have worshipped THE TRUE and LIVING GOD without having a fine-tuned "theOLOGY"...Lots of pre-schoolers and early primary kids have worshipped THE True and Living God without having a fine-tuned "theOLOGY"...
Can a Jewish candidate know this God enough to worship Him? (Yes) Can a Jewish candidate know this God enough to live with Him forever minus trusting the Messiah? (John 14:6; 17:3 seem to cast doubt on that)
You're not saying that Jewish candidates -- upon praying/appealing to God for relief, help, aid, etc... -- are calling upon a false god, are you?
In fact, let me emphasize that question again -- and then encourage you to answer that question
thanks for your post.
Sorry, but folks who say “Obama = Romney” lose me right there. It’s just preposterous.
>>>”Mittens thinks he is going to establish Zion for the LDS..”
Perhaps according those like the article author who “pretend to let the presumptive GOP candidate tell us himself…” But as I said earlier here that’s a logical contradiction and more than a little specious.
Maybe a reporter will ask him if that’s his intention. I see no indication that Romney is running for president on such a religious agenda.
Or, perhaps, Romney needs to make the LDS equivalent of Kennedy’s Houston speech to the Protestant ministers [”..no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic how to act..”)].
Would that assuage you?
>>”Am I saying that some Jews worship the same God Christians do? (Yes)”
Which ones? The Christian ones?
:)
Seems to be a requirement for the office nowadays.
Let me ask it this way, then: Does Christianity portend to worship the God of the Old Testament?
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