Polygamy opponents were swept aside in Nauvoo turmoil after Joseph Smith’s death

Ogden Standard-Examiner ^ | June 5, 2012 | Doug Gibson

[BlueMoose]

Let me rephrase my response. I'm not upset that I was not pinged. but respect your answering the question. Although I don't agree with the answer 100%. If everyone agreed 100% someone is not thinking.

[ansel12]

He claims to be a Christian who was previously a mormon. (as I recall) I don’t see anything but hate.

Hate partner is already zotted.

[Tau Food]

I hold no hate for Mormons, but I can’t help hating the intention and conduct involved in pretending to “rewrite” the whole Bible just so that a guy can satisfy his masochistic desire to have “plural wives” to harass him.

[Zakeet]

Let me rephrase my response. I'm not upset that I was not pinged. but respect your answering the question. Although I don't agree with the answer 100%. If everyone agreed 100% someone is not thinking.

If you would please show me where I'm in error, I'll promptly issue the necessary retractions, corrections and apologies.

[RaisingCain]

“Is this guy one of those militant atheists or something?

Seems like a strange thing to be posting about if he’s not. Ok, it’s a strange thing to post about regardless.”

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Are you a militant atheist, or perhaps a Mormon? Attacking an anti-Christian cult, or simply reporting on it, is no “crime against” Christianity.

[RaisingCain]

“He claims to be a Christian who was previously a mormon. (as I recall)

I don’t see anything but hate.”

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Instead of attacking the messenger, how about you explain why we should censor things that aren’t to your liking?

So attacking Mormonism offends you, probably for purely political reasons. I doubt you know what Mormonism is, and I doubt you can defend Mormonism or assault attacks against Mormonism by using the words of the Bible.

[driftdiver]

Not much use of the Bible here to refute mormanism, I wouldn’t want to start a trend.

Jesus taught us to show grace and love to bring people to salvation. Perhaps you need a reference for that, but I don’t.

[RaisingCain]

“Not much use of the Bible here to refute mormanism, I wouldn’t want to start a trend.

Jesus taught us to show grace and love to bring people to salvation. Perhaps you need a reference for that, but I don’t.”

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And exactly where in that article, written by a Mormon, was there a so called lack of “grace and love” by a Christian? It was a true statement, and your post was the second one there to attack the thread creator.

And if by “grace and love” you mean confessing things that are not true, I want no part of your ideas of Gospel grace.

Mormonism is most certainly a cult, and its leaders have historically been deceitful and usurpers of things that do not belong to them.

Will you attack me for speaking this plain, honest truth? But I’d rather do it on a Mormon forum. But, seeing the Mormon defenders get all twisted up in knots for no apparent reason other than politics is good for me too.

[BlueMoose]

I use the King James Version of the Scriptures. Is that different than what you use ?

[BlueMoose]

making the thread “about” individual Freeper(s), following a Freeper from thread to thread and badgering a Freeper over-and-again with the same question.

” I guess you assume because you can’t multitask no one can?”

[SoConPubbie]

I use the King James Version of the Scriptures. Is that different than what you use ?

That's version I prefer as well.

[Elsie]

Elsie please stop doing that to me, I detest your cut and paste posts but you keep doing them to me.

Huh?

You've hit reply on post 49 here, and THAT was to drift driver.

I really don't know what you mean.

[Elsie]

Ok; I searched the thread for your name and found what you were complaining about in post 47.

I am sorry I do this sometimes; it's just that I evidently don't get interested in the "quote" until the second or third time I see it in the thread.

I know that is not an excuse; it's just a reason.

I am sorry, and will be more careful in the future; but I truly do NOT mean to imply that YOU were the one that made the original statement; even though the way I've done it DOES make it seem that way.

Again - sorry.

[Elsie]

Not much use of the Bible here to refute mormanism, I wouldn’t want to start a trend.

Well!

I can fix you RIGHT up!

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KJV

Galatians 1:6-9

6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

ANYBODY???

Like this fine looking fellow???

 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15

12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

Like THESE guys??

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

 

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Ephesians 2:1-2

1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

[Elsie]

Jesus taught us to show grace and love to bring people to salvation.

 

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Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23

 

  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

 

Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

 

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And St. Paul chimes in...

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Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

 

[ejonesie22]

What are you talking about now?

[Elsie]

IF you find out; let ME know; too!

[driftdiver]

Matthew 15

18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

[BlueMoose]

Looks clear to me.

[BlueMoose]

Looks clear to me.