Posted on 07/01/2012 1:18:00 AM PDT by stpio
R. Albert Mohler, Jr., President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary isn't sure if Birth Control is a sin.
Watch this Vortex. The problem with Protestantism, you get to decide.
Michael Voris is the kind of guy who makes you want to become Catholic. Unfortunately, Catholicism, with all its mechanical theology, saints and work based salvation, is far too distant for me to ever hold my nose for it. I do hope Michael trusts in Jesus Christ for his salvation, and not in his works, as I would like to see him in heaven.
Whatever the case, Voris is an excellent enemy against progressive Catholics. I’d rather they be conservative and fundamentalists, rather than liberal and flaky.
Southern Baptists vote 80% pro-life and pro-marriage, and anti-liberal.
Roman Catholics vote 54% for Obama’s abortion, gay marriage, and anti-conservatism.
and the problem is the Southern Baptists?
If you’re not having kids then you aren’t exactly going to be spreading your message on are you?
“Southern Baptists vote 80% pro-life and pro-marriage, and anti-liberal.”
Roman Catholics vote 54% for Obama’s abortion, gay marriage, and anti-conservatism.
and the problem is the Southern Baptists?”
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Your statistics? The Baptist percentage on life is about Abortion. Protestants caved in 1930, going against God, approving contraception.
The Pill came on the market in the mid 1960s. The question is being asked now? Reverend Mohler has no answers.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/can-christians-use-birth-control-76132/
Can Christians use Birth Control?
June 6, 2012
“Therefore, Christians may make careful and discriminating use of proper technologies, but must never buy into the contraceptive mentality. We can never see children as problems to be avoided, but always as gifts to be welcomed and received.
For evangelicals, much work remains to be done. We must build and nurture a new tradition of moral theology, drawn from Holy Scripture and enriched by the theological heritage of the church. Until we do, many evangelical couples will not even know where to begin the process of thinking about birth control in a fully Christian frame. It is high time evangelicals answered this call.”
Immigration isn’t the answer to preserving America and conservatism, it is the destruction of it.
As far as having kids, when did America quit having kids and having enough of them to keep up our population?
Roman Catholics vote for abortion and gay marriage and for liberalism because they want to have kids?
Southern Baptists don’t have kids?
“Southern Baptists vote 80% pro-life and pro-marriage, and anti-liberal.”
Roman Catholics vote 54% for Obama’s abortion, gay marriage, and anti-conservatism.
Who do we need to fix?
“Southern Baptists vote 80% pro-life and pro-marriage, and anti-liberal.”
Roman Catholics vote 54% for Obama’s abortion, gay marriage, and anti-conservatism.
Who do we need to fix?
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Your same reply repeated, I give you the same answer.
Your statistics? The Baptist percentage on life is about Abortion. Protestants caved in 1930, going against God, approving contraception.
The Pill came on the market in the mid 1960s. The question is being asked now? Reverend Mohler has no answers.
Read the article. Contraception is against God, Reverend Mohler realizes the Church teaches this but can’t say it himself.
Insofar as the southern baptists that practice contraception aren’t.
You’ve framed the debate as ‘sustainable population’, which is really sad.
Whatever happened to the quiverful?
A saint is merely someone who has died and gone to heaven. The doctrine of the communion of saints has it that we on earth are still in communion with those who have died and gone to heaven. We are still all in communion, part of God's Kingdom, seen and unseen.
It may seem odd if not you're not familiar with the doctrine, but once understood, it truly is one of the most beautiul aspects of our faith as Christians.
On works, of course Catholics understand that we cannot work our way to heaven, but good works, (corporal works of mercy, alms giving etc. etc.) are part of being Christian.
Roman Catholics are voting for abortion, homosexuality and partial birth abortion and every perversion under the Democrat party, and you want to go after the anti-liberal church?
Liberal voters are against God, and Roman Catholics are liberal voters.
If you support conservatism, and life, then vote like a Southern Baptists.
I do not understand this Catholic disconnect between voting and Christian values, and conservatism.
Southern Baptists are our most right wing, pro- God voting block, Catholics vote democrat. How is it that we are promoting liberalism here and attacking conservatives?
Without supporting whatever Rev. Mohler said, I feel constrained to remind you that Michael Voris's rant demonstrates a typically unlearned position in which he refers to Baptists as Protestants. Baptists most emphatically are not Protestants, and every Roman Catholic and Protestant ought to be taught this.
Baptists are not Protestants=Reformers and this is why:
If one wants to emerge from ignorance of what baptists are, and have been, since the day the first Church of The Lord Jesus Christ was initiated by Christ's command to be assembled at Jerusalem, by Holy Spirit baptism on the 50th day after His Resurrection. Roman Ctholics have only existed as such when they were proclaimed as the Byzantine State Church by Constantine at Nicaea, about two hundred years later. The Protestants were those who were determined to reform the Roman Catholic church leadership abuses, and did not arrive until abot 1400 plus years after the Baptists. They were latecomers, not anything conforming to the distinctive marks of New Testament Baptist theology.
Here is a link to a site which clearly enumerate those BAPTIST Distinctives of which the following is a summary:
o B-Biblical Authority
o A-autonomy of the Local Church
o P-priesthood of the Believers
o T-two Ordinances of the Church
o I-individual soul liberty
o S-saved and baptized church membership
o T-two offices of the church -- pastor/elder and deacon
o S-separation of church and state
Rev. Mohler's statement will be largely based on this excerpt from the site, and is Scriptural, in that:
"Every individual Christian has the liberty to believe, right or wrong, as his/her own conscience dictates. While we seek to persuade men to choose the right, a person must not be forced to into compliance, realizing that it is not always the larger group who holds the truth when, in fact, our heritage as Baptists has demonstrated the worth of every individual believer.
"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. -- Romans 14:12 (totally in agreement with the context)
Any one of these fully Scripture-based distinctives will completely separate the Baptist from any form of Protestantism, let alone the sacral society proceeding from the Roman Empire.
The reason these distinctives are not pointed out by other Christian religious forms is because these other forms would founder on considering truly Bivlical principles of organization seriously.
Now, just to make a point on personal interpretation of artificial contraception, my son and his wife are Independent Baptists, and my son is a Deacon of that church. At the outset of their marriage, they decided that they would not be telling God what they were going to do with their bodies, but determined to let Him decide. I now have 10 beautiful grandchildren, who have met with The LORD for family worship at the beginning of every morning. Then they go on about their duties in homeschooling and work.
His brother has five children, and my daughter (widowed) has four.
Let me challenge anyone who reads this reply come up with a better way to serve The Christ than as a Baptist, a Bible-believing and obeying immersionist.
Respectfully denying the authenticity of Michael Voris, S. T. B.
I know what authenticity is in this matter.
Liberals abort their children and then try to spread their message to our children in the public schools and in college.
Liberals vote liberal, conservatives vote conservative.
The Roman Catholic voter has with rare (recent) exceptions, voted liberal.
It was 54& for Obama and the hard left in 2008.
“Liberal voters are against God, and Roman Catholics are liberal voters.”....
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You are ignoring the subject, Contraception IS a grave sin, and since Protestants have made themselves their own authority spiritually, they long ago rejected this truth.
Your generalizations do not fit all Catholics. There are very few Protestants who believe Contraception is a grave mortal sin, most do not. Their pastors, their leaders will not preach it.
These leaders and pastors believe the same. Read the Baptist’s minister/President’s question. The sin of Contraception is in Scripture but Protestants have fallen away. No authority, you can believe whatever you wish as
Michael Voris points out.
Almost fifty years, the moral and physical damage of the Pill, science confirms the Pill is an abortifacient, families are broken, cancer risks, environmental, etc...Protestants are starting to change and Cafeteria Catholics too.
You need an an authority. All the things Pope Paul VI predicted about contraception in 1968 happened and more.
President Mohler says almost, the RCC is correct.
God bless you,
To throw stones at the good people while embracing evil is a form of the beam in the eye that Catholics do, they ARE the left, yet they attack the right as evil.
“To throw stones at the good people while embracing evil is a form of the beam in the eye that Catholics do, they ARE the left, yet they attack the right as evil.”
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Catholics are “the left”, no conservatives. That’s a lie.
Your general again “good people”, the fruit of believing whatever you wish, God wants you to follow Him. Contraception is a grave mortal sin.
Do not defend it.
During all those years of the left and their agenda, who do you think was voting for them?
The Catholic church is left, and the Catholic voter is left.
Do you realize that Protestants have only voted for Democrat Presidents three times in American history since the arrival of the Catholics to America?
1932, 1936, and 1964, that is it! Do you want to know who Catholics vote for?
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