Posted on 07/01/2012 1:18:00 AM PDT by stpio
R. Albert Mohler, Jr., President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary isn't sure if Birth Control is a sin.
Watch this Vortex. The problem with Protestantism, you get to decide.
I am against anti-God democrat voters, are you?
Did you vote like a Southern Baptist in 2008, or like a Catholic?
“Now, just to make a point on personal interpretation of artificial contraception, my son and his wife are Independent Baptists, and my son is a Deacon of that church. At the outset of their marriage, they decided that they would not be telling God what they were going to do with their bodies, but determined to let Him decide. I now have 10 beautiful grandchildren, who have met with The LORD for family worship at the beginning of every morning. Then they go on about their duties in homeschooling and work.”
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Wonderful, your son and his wife are following God.
President/Reverend Mohler does not say this in his article, he can’t figure out, he knows what the Church teaches, (she stands alone, never changing on the Truth) but puts up an objection and in the end leaves it to others to figure out. Read his last sentences.
I don’t know how Southern Baptists vote. I didn’t vote
for either of the two Presidential candidates in 08.
How do you vote on contraception, may I ask?
Southern Baptist are the best God voters.
“The GOP identification slipped a little in 2008, but about 80% of the Southern Baptists voted for McCain over Barack Obama.”
Catholics voted for Obama.
I don’t recall a vote on contraception,refresh my memory.
If they use the pill they are not pro-life. They only self-identify as pro-life. These are two different things.
I do not see how contraception can be treated as a one size fits all. To say all forms are sin, I don’t buy it. Sure the obvious, abortion, pill and such that destroy life. Yes those are evil. Without getting into details, there are things husband and wife can do for enjoyment/bonding that limit the chance of pregnancy.
Jimmy Carter = Southern Baptist and extreme liberal
That explains why Roman Catholics vote for abortion and homosexuality, and why they embrace liberalism.
Gosh, naming individual people, I personally don’t see how that means anything.
Without question, Baptists ARE protestants. What has been stated here is untruthful, and cannot be supported by history. The baptists were started, as a denomination, in early 1600’s by John Smyth. Therefore, baptists are protestants, as they are, in fact, arriving on the scene 1600 years AFTER Our Lord’s Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension, as a part of the protest of and revolt away from the Roman Catholic Church. History IS.
From http://www.reformedreader.org/smyth.htm
John Smyth, 1570-1612
The earliest General Baptist Church was thought to be founded about 1608 or 1609. Its chief founder was John Smyth and it was located in Holland. Smyth’s history begins in England where he was ordained as an Anglican priest in 1594. Soon after his ordination, his zeal landed him in prison for refusal to conform to the teachings and practices of the Church of England. He was an outspoken man who was quick to challenge others about their beliefs but was just as quick to change his own positions as his own personal theology changed. Smyth continually battled the Church of England until it became obvious that he could no longer stay in fellowship with this church. Thus, he finally broke totally from them and became a “Separatist”.
In 1609, Smyth, along with a group in Holland, came to believe in believer’s baptism (as opposed to infant baptism which was the norm at that time) and they came together to form the first “Baptist” church. In the beginning, Smyth was on track with the typical orthodox church position; but as time passed, as was so typical, he began changing his positions. First, Smyth insisted that true worship was from the heart and that any form of reading from a book in worship was an invention of sinful man. Prayer, singing and preaching had to be completely spontaneous. He went so far with this mentality that he would not allow the reading of the Bible during worship “since he regarded English translations of Scripture as something less than the direct word of God.”5 Second, Smyth introduced a twofold church leadership, that of Pastor and Deacon. This was in contrast to the Reformational trifold leadership of Pastor-Elder, Lay-Elders, and Deacons.
Third, with his newfound position on baptism, a whole new concern arose for these “Baptists”. Having been baptized as infants, they all realized that they would have to be re-baptized. Since there was no other minister to administer baptism, Smyth baptized himself and then proceeded to baptize his flock. An interesting note at this point that should be brought to bear is that the mode of baptism used was that of pouring, for immersion would not become the standard for another generation. Before his death, as seems characteristic of Smyth, he abandoned his Baptist views and began trying to bring his flock into the Mennonite church. Although he died before this happened, most of his congregation did join themselves with the Mennonite church after his death.
Taken from:
A Primer on Baptist History
The True Baptist Trail
by Chris
Traffanstedt
Mr. Voris is right again. The whole series from last week is great.
A large percentage of Catholic Obama voters don’t even identify as pro-life. Also there is a difference between Mass attending Catholics and Catholics who have only received baptism. I am not sure if there a many people who identify as Baptists, yet don’t go to Church. These might be reasons for the better voting numbers for Baptists vs. Catholics.
But as a Catholic, I commend Baptists for they way they vote when they are looked at in aggregate.
Where did I say anything about the southern baptist church?
I’m talking about the southern baptist families, the husbands and wives who choose to use contraception.
I’m also concerned that you seem content with holding the line.
Do you believe that overpopulation is a significant problem for the world today?
Another way of looking at this is...
Children raised in a Southern Baptist home are more likely to vote 80% pro life, pro marriage and anti liberal.
Children raised Catholic are more likely to vote 54% for Obama’s abortion, gay marriage, and anti-conservatism.
Simple math would suggest that for 1000 babies raised Catholic, 540 will vote in line with Obama and the Dems. Meanwhile, if 500 babies are raised SBs, 400 will vote pro life, pro marriage and anti liberal.
Now granted, we can look at these numbers and say that SBs should give up contraceptives and have more kids.
Maybe instead of worrying about beating Protestants up about contraception, Catholics should worry more about raising their kids to live their lives more inline with complete Biblical teaching, so that they'd be less inclined to vote anti life stands as adults, and match the 80% voting record of SBs.
So you are suggesting that the southern baptists couples that choose contraception are also choosing to abort their children, that they are liberal, and that the southern baptists are better off if they don’t have children?
Nonsense. We have here - Southern baptist conservatives who love freedom and hate Obama, right here, saying that God won’t mind if they contracept. That’s a problem - for their family and for the Southern Baptists.
My point is this - contraception originated with the Episcopalians at the Lambeth conference in ‘34, where they affirmed that contraception was a-ok. It has since spread to most denominations, including the Southern Baptists.
I can quote southern baptist leaders from the 19th century who see contraception as a grave sin.
This isn’t about what Catholics believe or do, this is about what should the Southern Baptists believe? Should they be taking their inspiration from the episcopalians?
as I would like to see him in heaven.
Provided you make it there yourself which you won't know until your particular judgment.
The world and how many babies people have in other nations?
I’m trying to save pro-life, conservative America from Catholic liberalism, an effort that we should all be sharing.
You conveniently omitted the caveat "based on unscientific and unreliable exit polls employing suspect, at best, methodology."
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