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An ex-Mormon testimony: My unanswered question was: If the Bible teaches Christ is the only person to pre-exist, then why does the LDS church teach everyone pre-existed? I was initially devastated when I received this answer that I did not live in a pre-existence, yet overjoyed to find the truth that Christ is the only person worthy enough to have pre-existed! He created me in my mother's womb. He knows everything about me...even the number of hairs on my head. I AM TRULY BLESSED!

Indeed, Jesus Christ is the ONLY ONE who "pre-existed" from eternity past!!! (Which means those who claim otherwise have been "duped")

You see, the first distinct focus on the Mormon "Jesus" was that he was some unembodied vague "intelligence" even before the Mormon claim that Jesus, like Superman, had parents from another planet?

Indeed. Lds "scriptures" Doctrine & Covenants 93:29,33 assign ALL of us eternal status as past-tense intelligences. (So, per Mormonism, we're ALL supposedly as "eternal" as Jesus is -- reducing the uniqueness of Jesus Christ)

For more on Lds "scripture" D&C 93:29,33, see: Mormon Science and Space Doctrines [Kolobian cosmology]

Yes! Let's argue about semantics and nuances of the wording of things in The Bible, and damn to hell anyone who does not think it means what I think it means!!

That's sure some gooood religioning!

We need this arguing over the finer points of what God said... because we have it right and everyone else is wrong and so God hates them

While the Mormon neo-gnostic conception of the pre-existence of the soul (or person) is heretical and absolute humbug, one cannot disprove it by contrasting the created human soul with the pre-eternal Word’s pre-existence of all creation. Many pious Christians reading the same Scriptures as the rest of us believed the (also erroneous) traductionist theory of the origin of the soul — that all human souls are ‘fragments’ of Adam’s soul, and thus, while not pre-existing the creation as Christ does, pre-existed our conception and birth. Indeed Blessed Augustine’s overly gloomy view of the Fall, termed “Original Sin” in contrast to the Orthodox notion of Ancestral Sin, was originally argued on the basis of traductionism.

Strangely the Latin Church and most protestants have embraced Augustine’s description of the Fall while rejecting his views on the origin of the soul, in favor of the Orthodox position that each soul is created anew at the moment of conception. It is, of course, this the creationist theory of the origin of the soul (yes that’s the correct term, predating the use of the same word vis-a-vis the origin of the universe by a good millenium plus) that you are arguing for, but the traductionists also had their proof-texts (esp. the one about Melchizedek receiving tithes from the patriarchs, and even including the one from Jeremiah you quoted), so the truth of the creationist view is seen in the tradition of the Church (both East and West) as the sound interpreter of the Scriptures, not in the Scriptures themselves.

Wait a minute, I thought we were not supposed to point out how idiotic and flawed Mormonism is until after the election. I think the Democrats think we have some conspiracy in that regard but we have no taboo subjects. Racist socialist egomaniac friendly to Islam or a Mormon, interesting choice but a no brainer.

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