"Tradition" Is Not a Dirty Word

Sad, but some people think that St. Paul is more important than Jesus Christ.

Forget about John’s Gospel and the letters of John where the Bible specifically says that it does not contain all of Christ’s teachings.

"Tradition" Is Not a Dirty Word
Essays for Lent: Tradition

Prayer and monasticism in Orthodox tradition (Prayer and silence)
The Tradition of Midnight Mass: History
Charles Borromeo and Catholic Tradition, re: Catholic Architecture [Catholic Caucus]
Revelation, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium
Tradition and Progress Not Opposed, Pope Tells Liturgy Conference
Rome's Station Churches Revive Ancient Tradition
Antioch Tradition Adorns the Church, Says Pope
CARA Reports on Religious Life Confirm Tradition [Catholic Caucus]
Apostolic Tradition [Church Fathers contra Sola Scriptura]
"Little Lost Lambeth," What Christian Tradition, Lambeth Conference & Aldous Huxley have in common

“To say that Paul’s mission to the gentiles was mutually inclusive with Jesus’ Mission & Teachings…..well……there is a lot of historical fact (outside of ‘The Church’) that belies that ideology.”

So please, do share this “lot of historical fact” with us.

I don’t know how Paul contradicts the teaching of the Tanach or Jesus, but expounds on it.

The redemptive plan always included the nations, if only secondarily. If you only had the Tanach you could still love God and thank him for the Savior to come, but praise Him, He is here.

If the law of Moses was sufficient unto men, then why the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 ? (but this a Pauline question)

If you reject the epistles, from where does your faith in the gospel quotes of Jesus rise. Are Luke and Acts spurious also, being that Paul and Luke were cohorts?

I will agree that Jesus chastised the Temple Priests for loving their religion more than God ( the Talmudic laws are 400 years after), and I see the same in many religions today.

There's a development of structure and office as well as a development of doctrine (not an invention or a manufacture, but a true "development" meaning an unfolding of its own proper nature.) If I'm understanding yhou correctly, you take a minimalist view of the ongoing authority of the successors of the Apostles, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to direct the ongoing development of the Church.

What we see in Clement of Rome (who died within the Apostolic era, i.e. in 99 AD, before even the death of John on Patmos) and Ignatius of Antioch, (d. ca. 108 AD) and Justin Martyr (d. ca. 165 A.D. ) is already, in embryonic form, what you'll see in the Church today.

Possibly you make the assumption that the Church has no capacity to develop structurally or doctrinally under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It's as if to say, a mustard seed is supposed to stay a mustard seed, it's not supposed to branch out,grow big, and develop. Such a view is, in my view, mistaken.

This is in view of the fact that Jesus Himself said hat the Holy Spirit would continue to lead us "into all Truth" (meaning that there was still to be a further, deeper, wider undersanding), and that St. John says, both in his Gospel and in his Epistles, that Jesus taught them a lot, LOT more tha wasnt written in the Gospels. Yes, John says that. We can certaibly see that in the teachings of faithful men who were taught by thre Apostles themselves (e.g. Clement, Ignatius, the authors of the Didache, and other of the first-generation and second-generation successors.)

Peace be with you.

“Possibly you make the assumption that the Church has no capacity to develop structurally or doctrinally under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It's as if to say, a mustard seed is supposed to stay a mustard seed, it's not supposed to branch out,grow big, and develop. Such a view is, in my view, mistaken.”

But the mustard seed will not produce anything other than a mustard plant so whatever is to “develop structurally or doctrinally” cannot be contrary to or supersede the authority granted to the Christian church by Christ or the basic teachings of Christ and his apostles even if such claim is made for guidance by Holy Spirit.

Paul makes the point that men taught by an apostle of Christ, Paul himself.....from amongst them would arise false teachers to “speak twisted things”. (Acts 20:31)

“..... St. John says, both in his Gospel and in his Epistles, that Jesus taught them a lot, LOT more tha wasnt written in the Gospels.”

Understandably so but these unwritten sayings would not be contrary to nor more explicit than what Jesus had already stated otherwise we should be at some pains to explain why the silence from all the apostles on a priesthood within the Christian church.

Peter, Paul, and notably John do indeed speak to a priests/kings body but it was not to operate on earth but from heaven.
That was the proper nature of the priesthood/kingship and unless there has been some change, still is.

As Paul pointed out, some wanted to begin their rules now without the apostles (1 Cor. 4:8) but such was not to be.

There simply is no authorization or principle or foundation in the N.T. church for the setting up a human priesthood.

Whenever I consider the veracity of tradition I consider the use of tradition by Sadducees and Pharisees at the time of the Incarnation. What good did tradition provide for the thinking through faith in Christ?

Evidently their traditions were a hindrance to faith in Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant,
wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
Heb 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
Heb 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
Heb 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Good verses, including,

“Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus.”

“For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.” (Ephesians 2:18)

And not via a saintly secretary.

Ps. You might be interested in the E-Sword Bible program (http://www.e-sword.net/downloads.html), which (as with some others) enables you to copy verses in paragraph mode, like,

Heb 10:19-22 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Or

Heb 10:19-22
(19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
(20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
(21) And having an high priest over the house of God;
(22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

You select the verses then choose “copy verses” and then hit #8 for the first example (or #9 without individual verse numbers) or #3 for the second format.

I also use a program called BPBible which allows more customization in copying.

Then there is the Word, etc. Thank God for them all, and for His Word.

You may want to see,

http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/vaticanIanddevelopment.html

http://reformation500.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/historical-literature-on-the-earliest-papacy/

http://thulcandra.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/klaus-schatz-on-priesthood-canon-and-the-development-of-doctrine/

Thanks for the tip using esword :)
I actually use the program all the time but I am lazy and use cut and paste *sigh*

I like this part too :)
Should speak clearly about the error of Roman Catholic sacrifice of the mass and any priest being able to absolve anyone of their sins

(Heb 10:11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Thank you for the links, I’ve been rather slow in reading them.

Explain these contradictions….of Paul vs. Jesus

-1. Jesus Taught that Man's Governments of the World Are Under Satan, But Paul Says Their Secular Rulers Are Agents of G-d

Compare Luke 4:5-8, John 18:36, 19:18, Acts 4:26 (Ps 2:2) versus Paul in Romans 13:1-5.
The Restored Kingdom of G-d is described in the Gospels as of another order from the entire realm of the nations, which are ruled by The Adversary and whereby Jesus was crucified. On the other hand, the secular authorities with all their weaponry are stated by Paul to be G-d's own agents. (Romans 13:1-5.)

While Jesus did not provoke outright rebellion against Roman authorities like John the Baptist and the Essenes, he clearly did not consider their rule to be blessed by G-d. Paul, in contrast, again and again encouraged peaceful compliance with Roman rules and requirements. "Slaves were to compliantly serve their masters: women were to be subject to their husbands."

-2. Jesus Says Don't Exclude Heretics Or Judge Them; Paul Says Exclude Them

Jesus told us in the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares how to deal with heretics. You leave them for judgment day to be separated out from the true church. But Paul teaches to exclude/shun those who come with different doctrines than Paul taught. (Titus 3:10-11 "shun a heretical person after 2 warnings"). Paul even curses them. (Gal. 1:8-9 "anyone who preaches another gospel than we preach, let him be eternally condemned.")

-3. Jesus Says Only G-d Is Your Spiritual Father, and Call No Man on Earth Your Father, But Paul Says He Is The Corinthians' Only Spiritual Father

And do not call yourself Father for your Father is one who is in heaven. (Matt. 23:9)
But Paul says:
For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you. (1 Cor. 4:15)

-4. Jesus Says Salvation Is By Returning to Torah (Repenting) and Obedience With Faith; Paul Says This is Heresy

Every time the word REPENT is used by Jesus it isn't some innocent word that simply means "confessing away your sins".
Did you know that the Hebrew (and Aramaic) word that "repent)"was translated from (tubh) actually means RETURNING or to return? (being that Jesus and the disciples spoke a dead version of Aramaic) So therefore Jesus was always telling his followers to RETURN to G-D, get back on the path of G-D's Word (G-d's Word is Torah). He wasn't telling anyone & everyone to simply pray away their "sins"…….the Lost Sheep of Israel had to RETURN…….

Paul's main salvation verses at odds with Jesus:
Romans 3:28 "man is justified by faith apart from observing the law".
Romans 4:5 "To the man who does not work, but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness".
Gal. 5:4 "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace".
Romans 7:6 "Now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in a new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code".
Gal. 2:16 "A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ, because by observing the law no one will be justified".
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith, this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast."

Here where it matters most, Paul has a different voice than Jesus (ישוע). Paul's themes are alien to Jesus’ message of salvation. They undercut, if not destroy, the message of Jesus (ישוע). The true sheep of Jesus recognize His voice, and will not follow another. (John 10:27)

-5. Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Jesus Says No

In 1 Tim. 5:17, Paul wrote: "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching." Then Paul uses a verse about not muzzling an ox in an inapposite extension to imply churchgoers have a duty to pay the elders for their service. (1 Tim. 5:18.)

But Jesus said to His disciples to lay no cost on anyone they served by preaching and healing? "Heal the sick, restore life to the dead, cleanse the lepers and cast out demons from men. Do not take wages. Freely you have received, freely you shall give". (Matt. 10:8) Jesus in the prior verse was commanding the Disciples to go out and preach the gospel, so the context makes quite clear that no charge was to be made on auditors to hear the truth of YHWH.

-6. Jesus Says To Shun Sinning Believers; Paul Says To Kill Them

In Matthew 18, Jesus says if one has something against a brother, to try to work it out privately. If this does not work, bring "one or two" to witness the conversation. If you brother will not hear you and these others, "And if he will also not listen to them, tell the assembly. And if he will also not listen to the assembly, let him be to you like a tax collector and like a heathen." (Matt. 18:17.) Authorities generally interpret this to mean to shun them.
But Paul teaches someone who is caught in a relationship with his stepmother should be "turned over to Satan for the extermination of the flesh" (1 Cor. 5:5) -- this means delivering that man over to the secular authorities for execution.

-7. Paul Exhorts Celibacy, But Jesus Clearly Says It is A Choice Not Within Everyone's Power

Paul taught against being married. He wrote in 1 Cor. 10:27-28:
"Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. But if you marry, you do not sin, and if a girl marries she does not sin."
In line with this Paul also wrote:
"I wish all were as I am," meaning unmarried. (1 Cor. 7:7.)
To help prevent the desire to be married, Paul said: ‘It is good that a man should not touch a woman.’ (1 Cor. 7:1.) And this gives one example in which Paul intended us to "Be imitators of me." (1 Cor. 4:16.) Paul clearly endorses celibacy for us too as a superior way of life.

However, Jesus speaks differently of celibacy as something for some but not all disciples. It is not a command or even an exhortation. It is merely a legitimate option. "Whoever is able to understand let him understand." Matt. 19:12.
The contradiction arises because Jesus never says or implies "do not seek marriage." Significantly, Jesus never applies any moral pressure to be celibate, while Paul clearly does so.

-8. Jesus Says There Is One Pastor and Teacher (Himself), But Paul Says There Are Many Pastors and Teachers

Jesus called his students/followers to follow HIS teachings.
Jesus stated they should follow him & his way alone.
Nowhere did he ever state for his students/followers to follow him AND another way.
Nowhere did he ever state for his students/followers to follow his teachings AND another different teaching ALSO.

Come after me and I will make you……..(Matt 4:19)
Come follow me now….. (Matt 8:22)
Come follow me….. (Matt 9:9)

I am the Good Shepherd….and there will be one flock with one shepherd. (John 10:11 & 16)

John, personally chosen by Jesus and who lived with him for 3 years and studied under him, tells us that we need no other Word than that of G-d as given through our Teacher & Shepherd, Jesus:

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth….….And you also, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. (1 John 2:20 & 27)

Paul says that we should follow him and all those he appoints in addition to Jesus:
"And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors (shepherds, Greek poimenas) and teachers...." (Eph. 4:11)
"Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel." (1 Cor. 4:15)

-9. Paul Says G-d Is The God of the Dead, But Jesus Says G-d Is Not The God of the Dead

Paul speaks of the "Lord of the dead and the living." (Romans 14:9.) But Jesus says "G-d is not the G-d of the dead but the living." (Luke 20:38.)

-10. Paul Says G-d Does Not Live in Temples Made of Human Hands, But Jesus Says He Does

Paul says "G-d who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands." (Acts 17:24). However, Jesus said, in a correction of Pharisees who thought an oath offered "by" articles offered at the Temple were binding but not an oath by the Temple at Jerusalem itself: " "He who swears by the temple swears by the temple and He Who dwells within it". (Matt. 23:21.) Hence, Jesus’ stated that because the article of the Temple is less important than the Temple where G-d dwells at Jerusalem, an oath "by" the Temple is as binding as an oath by an article. The importance of this is Jesus affirms G-d does live in a temple made of human hands, but Paul says this is untrue.

-11. Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok

Three times Jesus in the Book of Revelation condemns eating meat sacrificed to idols, even saying this is the doctrine of a false prophet. This absolute prescription also was set forth in James' ruling at the Jerusalem Council in Acts. However, Paul clearly teaches three times that there is nothing wrong in itself eating meat sacrificed to idols. (Romans 14:21;1 Corinthians 8:4-13, and 1 Corinthians 10:19-29).

I will reiterate:

Jesus called his students/followers to follow HIS teachings.
Jesus stated they should follow him & his way alone.
Nowhere did he ever state for his students/followers to follow him AND another way.
Nowhere did he ever state for his students/followers to follow his teachings AND another different teaching ALSO.

Come after me and I will make you……..(Matt 4:19)
Come follow me now….. (Matt 8:22)
Come follow me….. (Matt 9:9)

I am the Good Shepherd….and there will be one flock with one shepherd. (John 10:11 & 16)

John, personally chosen by Jesus and who lived with him for 3 years and studied under him, tells us that we need no other Word than that of G-d as given through our Teacher & Shepherd, Jesus:

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth….….And you also, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. (1 John 2:20 & 27)

Yet somehow we have Paul commanding us to follow HIM and all his hellenistic philosophy, INSTEAD of following Jesus who taught Torah
Paul raises himself up to be equal too and the same as Jesus:

"Therefore I urge you to follow ME. (1 Cor. 4:16)
"Brothers, join in imitating ME, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in US." (Phil. 3:17)
Now to him who is able to establish you IN ACCORDANCE WITH MY GOSPEL, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, (1 Cor. 16:25)
"Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. (1 Cor. 4:15) "For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles." (2 Cor. 11:5)
Now I’m happy to be suffering for you. I’m completing what is missing from Christ’s sufferings with my body. I’m doing this for the sake of his body, which is the church. (Col 1:24)
"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings WE passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Tim. 2:15)
"In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, WE command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from US." (2 Thess 3:6)
"But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me…." (Gal. 1:15-16)
"From now on, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus." (Gal. 6:17)

I'm sorry but I put Jesus and his teachings from G-d above all others. I "imitate" and follow Jesus alone.

Back on the OP's theme of man-made tradition.....

I find it just so weird (and an ultimate contradiction) that if christians worship the same G-d (YHWH) as Jews then how are His commands regarding worship different for them and the Jews? Where exactly did Jesus do away with the rules of worship that apply to the supposed same G-d of christians & the Jews?

Somewhere, specifically, Jesus stated that the following commands regarding Worship of G-d do not apply to one set of people but to others…..Jesus very specifically stated the following only applies to jews but not christians……right?

Deut. 12:3-4:
“And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place.” You shall not worship the Lord your G-dwith such things.”

Deut. 13:12-18
If you hear it said about one of the towns, the Lord your G-d is giving you to live in, that some worthless men have gone out from among you and have seduced the inhabitants of their city, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ' whom you have not known.
In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.
Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your G-d. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.
Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then G-d will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors.
Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then G-d will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors.
The Lord your G-dwill do this if you listen to him, obey all the commands that I'm giving you today, and do what he considers right.

Deut. 18:9-15
“When you come to the land that the Lord your G-d is giving you, do not learn to do the revolting practices of those nations. Among you, there shall not be found anyone who passes his son or daughter through fire, who practices stick divination, who divines auspicious times, who divines by omens, who practices witchcraft, who uses incantations, who consults mediums and oracles, or who attempts to communicate with the dead. Anyone involved in these practices is repulsive to G-d, and it was because of repulsive practices such as these that the Lord your G-d is driving out these nations before you. You must therefore remain totally faithful to the Lord your G-d. The nations that you are driving out listen to astrologers and stick diviners, but what G-d has given you is totally different. In your midst, G-d will set up for you a prophet like me from among your brethren, and it is to him that you must listen.”

So G-d commands EVERYONE that we cannot utilize anything pagan to worship him, we cannot "take-over" nor "adopt" heathen places, buildings, statues, pictures in His name and act as though they are meant for Him. We cannot "take-over" or "adopt" heathen holy days or festivals and assert them as G-d's. These commands apply to worship of G-d…..being the supposed same being that christians also worship.

So then why is christianity (specifically it's doctrine) built on a foundation in direct disobedience to G-d (being the same "God" that christians supposedly worship)?

Of course, even though christians maintain their version of the Torah/Tanakh in their version of the scriptures, and read from it occasionally, whatever G-d actually said is irrelevant because (according to them) somehow it only applies to the Jews.

Of course, even though Jesus quotes & teaches extensively and only from the Torah/Tanakh, it's actually irrelevant………..

“Their worship is in vain, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from G-d.” (Matt. 15:9)

But that only applies to Jews, right?

So, what’s your point? Succintly.

Frankly, I'm a little confused as to what this has to do with my statement about tradition.

I’m begining to think that you do not like Paul.

That’s OK, but what is the difference then from your point of view and a cult of Judaism?

Sorry, for me, Paul was an apostle inspired by God. Not Jesus of course, who was the Sonn of God, and God Himself, but as inspired as any of the Old Testament prophets.

so I repeat, what exactly is your point?

Sorry, for me, Paul was an apostle inspired by God. Not Jesus of course, who was the Sonn of God, and God Himself, but as inspired as any of the Old Testament prophets.

When Paul says his gospel is directly from Jesus himself, that's pretty much exactly what "inspired" means.