Posted on 08/05/2012 9:01:28 AM PDT by Colofornian
...Latter-day Saints believe that in order to attain the best in life and the greatest happiness in this world and for the next, men and women must be married in the temple for time and eternity. Without the sealing ordinances of temple marriage, man cannot achieve a godlike stature or receive a fulness of joy. …
...to enjoy the privileges and advantages...as...husbands and wives, parents and children, the ordinance that authorizes and sanctifies this most beautiful of all relationships is not acceptable if it contains the limitation “until death do you part.” For family relationships and conjugal associations to be eternal, the marriage contract must authoritatively state, “for time and for all eternity.”
...We cannot be held responsible for the sins...of our ancestors, but He has warned that in case of failure on the part of our posterity, if it can be attributed to our failure in our duty to them, then the sins will be upon our heads.
The Latter-day Saint concept of eternal progression includes eternal development, eternal increase of knowledge, power, intelligence, awareness, and all the characteristics and capacities that make for godhood. But in the economy of God, man cannot attain this state of continuing perfection in his unfinished or unmarried state...
When one accepts the conditions and obligations of this eternal partnership, he must realize that failure here is almost total failure. Whatever his successes may be in other fields of activity, if a man fails to discharge the obligations imposed by the eternal covenant, the appalling penalty will be the loss of celestial glory, accompanied by responsibility for the losses sustained by those with whom he made the contract and for whom he is responsible.
“Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one wife, and they twain shall be one flesh...
...(D&C 49:15...)
(Excerpt) Read more at lds.org ...
(Well...of course...a LOT are...but so were the Pharisees in Jesus' incarnational years!)
And for those Lds that are not -- is that something you would emphasize to the victims of these financial frauds?
Lds members have fleeced over 1 & 1/2 billion from fellow Mormons the past few years alone! Guess what? They initially didn't regret "doing business" with them, either!!!
(2010 Source puts it at over $1.4 billion...and MORE has been uncovered since then!) : Mormons Now Losing Billions to Affinity Fraud
Can you fill me in any other religious sect that has less than 2% of the overall population (1.7%) -- that has launched at least $1.4 billion worth of fraud schemes vs. fellow sect members the past two or three years?
If you only have time to click on one article link below...read this one: JOHN L. SMITH: Thieves in the temple: How 'affinity fraud' hurts LDS church members
Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal, Sept. 12, 2010 Be sure to read the comments of FBI special agent Cameron Saxey (who is Lds)...the article mentions how the Utah jurisdictional Securities Fraud Task Force was working on 100+ cases...meaning that $1.4 billion total doesn't tell it all!
The sad individual accounts [Indeed: Pray for the victims, most Lds]:
* All in the Mormon Family Mortgage Fraud [Re: Idaho fraud]
Source: Conservative Babylon.com, June 27, 2012
* Episode Detail: The Mormon Madoff - American Greed: Scams, Scoundrels and Scandals
Source: TV Guide.com re: series American Greed: Scams, Scoundrels, and Scandals, June 20, 2012
* Former LDS bishop gets jail, probation for massive fraud
Source: Provo Herald, June 7, 2012
* LDS Bishop Pleads Guilty To Fraud
Source: Kutv.com, June 7, 2012
* Utah investors caught up in alleged $170M fraud: SEC says 2 men committed fraud as they raised $170M to build Caribbean resorts, and that 250 of the 1,700 alleged victims are from Utah
Source: Salt Lake Tribune, May 31, 2012
* Beware of affinity fraud ‘predators’ who exploit trust, LDS spokesman warns
Source: Fraud College.org, April 2, 2012
* Former LDS bishop charged with fraud, pleads not guilty
Connecticut Criminal Defense Blog, March 29, 2012
* Former Mormon Bishop In Trumbull Charged With Investor Fraud
Source: Hartford Courant, March 27, 2012
* The LDS Church Issues a Strong Position on Affinity Fraud
Source: Utah Securities Fraud.com, March 7, 2012
* Affinity Fraud Called a Destructive Crime at Conference
Source: Lds.org, Feb. 20, 2012
* Church Representative to Address Fraud College [From the official Lds Web site]
Source: Lds.org, Feb. 15, 2012
* Affinity Fraud statement
Source: Official Mormon Newsroom.org, Undated (Early 2012)
* Father, son used Mormon connections to commit $220M Ponzi scheme (Utah case)
Source: Mormon church-owned KSL.com, Dec. 16, 2011
* Former LDS bishop cons elderly man out of life savings, police say
Source: Provo Daily Herald, Oct. 19, 2011
* Tag archives @Utahsecuritiesfraud.com: LDS Church
* Provo councilman Steve Turley charged with felonies [LDS High Council Member]
Source: Provo Herald, July 27, 2011
* Feds arrest St. George business man, philanthropist for mail fraud
Source: Mormon-church owned KSL.com, June 11, 2011
* Former LDS leader charged in fraud against Ute football coach, others
Source: Salt Lake Tribune, June 8, 2011
* Suspected Mormon Con Artist Pleading Guilty to $78M Scam
Source: Streetsweeper.org, May 31, 2011
* Mormon Madoff? Source: Financial Fraud Law.com, May 27, 2011
* A Fraud Played Out on Family and Friends
Source: New York Times, May 26, 2011
* St. George investor ordered to jail [ex-Lds bishop]
Source: MidUtahRadio.com, April 15, 2011
* Using trust to steal (Utah affinity fraud)
Source: Ogden (UT) Standard Examiner, Feb. 3, 2011
* JOHN L. SMITH: Thieves in the temple: How 'affinity fraud' hurts LDS church members
Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal, Sept. 12, 2010
* Local political gadfly arrested for exploiting elderly woman
Source: Provo Daily Herald, May 4, 2010
* Preying on the faithful: Though Mormons often victims, LDS church skips fraud-prevention event
Source: Salt Lake Tribune, May 2, 2010
* Kaneohe swindler is sentenced
Source: Honolulu Star-Bulletin, April 6, 2010
* Investors with troubled firm have Mormon ties
Source: Austin American Statesman, Jan. 16, 2010
* Man Who Defrauded Fellow Church Goer Pleads Guilty
Source: www.connect2utah.com (KUTV) Jan. 7, 2010
* Lindon Man Accused of Trying to Kill Witnesses to Alleged Scam
Source: MidUtahRadio.com, Nov. 19, 2009
* KSL 5 News investigates affinity fraud
Source: KSL.com Nov. 9, 2009
* Mormon victims are caught up in $50M scam to sell gold bullion
Salt Lake Tribune, Sept. 18, 2009
* LDS Church returned $200K in Southwick Tithing
Source: AP, Sept. 14, 2009
* Merriman's church donations may be tained [Momon Ponzi schemer's tithe monies ill-gotten?]
Source: Denver Post, April 24, 2009
* Man Who Defrauded Fellow Church Goer Pleads Guilty
Source: Fox News, April 8, 2009
* Calif. Man Charged with $40 million Ponzi scheme
Source: AP, March 20, 2009
The bottom line here is that you would expect a church that has 2% of the nation's population to have about 2% of affinity fraud cases -- even if they were as criminal as the atheists and agnostics! [You would expect them to have less than 2% if there was a true higher moral standard at operation here]. You don't expect cases involving $one and a half BILLION!
And, of course...If Joseph Smith committed banking fraud...and if Joseph Smith committed massive spiritual fraud...then we would expect that seed to be planted within the Mormon church...and to germinate widely.
Joseph Smith's banking scam: Joseph Smith's Mormon Banking Scam
Should read: 2009 - 2012
“Romney is the candidate. Posting attacks on Mormonism is pointless and also has nothing to do with a political website.”
THIS political website has a Religion Forum, where this article is posted. Whether RINOmney wins or not has nothing to do with whether mormonism is false.
“I have known and lived with Mormons for years and I am not a Mormon, but the are very good law abiding taxpayers and not Muslim.”
It is true.
Muslims believe in one false God. Mormons believe in millions of false gods.
Muslims believe in one false God. Mormons believe they are becoming a god.
Muslims believe in polygamy. Mormons believe in polygamy.
Muslims suppress women. Mormons suppress women.
Wait, what was your point?
Oh, yea. Obama is a muslim who worships a false god. RINOmney is a liberal statist who worships a false god.
How telling, that you collect past posts to use, out of context, to promote this use of the religion forum in order to continuing your purposed attacks on the politician. Are you under the mistaken notion that you are respected for this misuse of the Freerepublic religion forum and ardent hatred of Mitt Romney? I must have pricked your conscience at leats a little bit for you to spend such energy to search out sentences which you can take out of context and use to try and defend your brazen politican attacks using the religion forum. Enjoy yourself, if you can. You are failing miserably at trying to open Mormon eyes tot he heresies inherent in that cult, and I think you know that, so it appears that you have a hidden agenda, of attacking Romney. It certainly comes across that way.
It obviously isn’t “hidden” if Mitt’s name is right in the title. I guess it’s okay to point out that Obama is a farking Muslim with ties to a Liberation Theolgy (socialist) church which utterly warps the Gospel and is therefore a type of cult, but NOT okay to talk about Mitt Romney’s Mormon cult? And I actually, independently, noticed some of your posts during the primary bashing Romney for his Mormonism. I guess it’s something you’re only allowed to do when it is politically convenient?
But that’s really the thing here. We don’t win politically by pointing out the truth of Mormonism, or of any of these sleezebag politicians who also happen to be Republicans. This is a spiritual debate. A debate for the soul. Will you defend a religious cult for political purposes, or will you not blush and instead embrace the fight against damnable heresy and deception in the world, even when it touches on YOUR interests? Obviously, I’m going with the latter. Don’t know about you!
When someone drags and pastes posts from 2007 into a thread in 2012, trying to use those posts out of context to squelch the poster, you can be assured they are not concerned about the poster's spiritual condition and are all about 'winning an argument ont he forum' and perhaps justify themselves. Let them rave. They expose themseles the more in doing that.
I don’t understand the difference between setting up a Mormon Expose’ thread and your previous posts on these same topics, where you also mentioned Mitt Romney? I suppose we could mention Glenn Beck for awhile, if perhaps it would make you feel better about the topic at hand. I wonder what a random Mormon coming into the thread is going to think, believing it is just a anti-Romney thing and not an issue with MormonISM, as you put it, because all the Christians are divided over the issue.
Coincidentally, my goal is to expose Mitt Romney as well as every other fiend. I have no problem with Twofers either!
So you’ve...never been to a wedding where the minister expressed the idea?
I mean...seriously. The idea that I’m interacting with presumably functional adults who haven’t recognized the crystal clear, obvious and inherent truth of that statement, is literally a little bizarre to me. Surreal, even.
It boils down to being a question of believing what men have told me, or believing what God has created. Because if that statement is false, the reality of humanity God made for us, is false.
We were created in such a way as to require our participation in the propagation agreement we call “marriage”. Parts of our bodies and minds are solely devoted to it. Our psyches are designed to help us more easily participate in it. We have emotions useful only for that purpose. Joining into that agreement is usually difficult and always involves a huge portion of our lives. And there are many astonishing and important experiences that occur in that agreement between a man and a woman, that are impossible to experience any other way.
So, when I consider how much effort God expended in designing things that way, and how astonishingly beautiful it ends up being, it’s impossible to think life is complete without it.
If you think it is, you probably have some problems to work out.
Stick around n00b, you may eventually figure it out, if you actually want to. Don’t be taken in by quotes taken out of context. Perhaps, after spending so much time searching back through my posts (he actually get as far back as 2007! ... and I’ve been opening opposing the ISM for at least ten years at FR), Colonic will post the links tot he threads, so you can read the quoptes in full context.
Stick around n00b, you may eventually figure it out, if you actually want to. Don’t be taken in by quotes taken out of context. Perhaps, after spending so much time searching back through my posts (he/she/it actually got as far back as 2007! ... and I’ve been opening opposing the ISM for at least ten years at FR), Colonic will post the links tot he threads, so you can read the quoptes in full context.
Stick around n00b, you may eventually figure it out, if you actually want to. Don’t be taken in by quotes taken out of context. Perhaps, after spending so much time searching back through my posts (he/she/it actually got as far back as 2007! ... and I’ve been openly opposing the ISM for at least ten years at FR), Colonic will post the links tot he threads, so you can read the quoptes in full context.
Stick around n00b, you may eventually figure it out, if you actually want to. Don’t be taken in by quotes taken out of context. Perhaps, after spending so much time searching back through my posts (he/she/it actually got as far back as 2007! ... and I’ve been openly opposing the ISM for at least ten years at FR), Colonic will post the links tot he threads, so you can read the quotes in full context.
“I mean...seriously. The idea that I’m interacting with presumably functional adults who haven’t recognized the crystal clear, obvious and inherent truth of that statement, is literally a little bizarre to me. Surreal, even.
It boils down to being a question of believing what men have told me, or believing what God has created. Because if that statement is false, the reality of humanity God made for us, is false.
We were created in such a way as to require our participation in the propagation agreement we call “marriage”. Parts of our bodies and minds are solely devoted to it. Our psyches are designed to help us more easily participate in it. We have emotions useful only for that purpose. Joining into that agreement is usually difficult and always involves a huge portion of our lives. And there are many astonishing and important experiences that occur in that agreement between a man and a woman, that are impossible to experience any other way.
So, when I consider how much effort God expended in designing things that way, and how astonishingly beautiful it ends up being, it’s impossible to think life is complete without it.
If you think it is, you probably have some problems to work out.”
So can you provide a quote of this teaching of some minister claiming that people are incomplete, not whole, unless they get married?
Was the Apostle, therefore, arguing that he prefers people should be “incomplete” in times of tribulation?
1Co 7:7-9 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. (8) I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. (9) But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
There is a great deal of difference between the Mormon doctrine on marriage and the Christian one. The first and most obvious being that marriage has no change on your physical or spiritual self. You are not made “complete” by getting married, and you are not made “incomplete” by being divorced. I’d be really surprised to hear of any minister making such a claim.
“I mean...seriously. The idea that I’m interacting with presumably functional adults who haven’t recognized the crystal clear, obvious and inherent truth of that statement, is literally a little bizarre to me. Surreal, even."
Not LDS either. Glad there’s no religious test required for public office, and glad we’re not looking to elect the national preacher.
Romney has made it clear he supports Christian values, which is important, but beyond that I see no reason not to vote for someone just because they are LDS.
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