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When does a dinner invitation become a scandal? UPDATED (Obama has accepted)
The Deacon's Bench ^ | August 7, 2012 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 08/08/2012 2:26:48 PM PDT by NYer

When it involves the fabled Al Smith Dinner in New York, all you have to do is invite President Obama:

By tradition, the storied Al Smith Dinner has provided a few hours of comic relief from the angry volleys of the campaign trail — a white-tie charity banquet held in the weeks before Election Day, hosted by the archbishop of New York and featuring speeches by the two presidential candidates on the condition that they lob nothing more than good-natured jibes.

But the Catholic hierarchy’s fierce feud with President Obama, abetted by the increasingly sharp tone of the 2012 elections, is threatening to invade this demilitarized zone and give New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan a case of pre-dinner agita.

Dolan has reportedly extended an offer to Obama (as well as his Republican opponent, Mitt Romney) to attend this year’s dinner at the Waldorf-Astoria, scheduled for Oct. 18, and reports say the president has accepted. That has mobilized abortion opponents, who view Obama as the worst thing since Roe v. Wade and an enemy of religious liberty because of his administration’s controversial birth control mandate.

The Rev. Frank Pavone, head of Priests for Life, a leading abortion opponent based in Staten Island, said Monday (Aug. 6) that “the polite putting aside of differences for a while amounts to scandal.”

“There comes a time when enough is enough and we can no longer afford to give people a reason to doubt our position as a Church,” Pavone wrote in an email. “So no, I don’t think the invitation is appropriate at this time.”

“Better to cancel the event than have it become another cause for scandal in the Catholic Church,” Randy Engel, head of the U.S. Coalition for Life, told LifeNews.com, an anti-abortion website.

The New York Archdiocese has not formally announced that Obama and Romney have been invited, or have accepted. But Meghan McGuinness Myers, executive director of the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation, which organizes the annual fundraiser on behalf of various children’s charities, told LifeSiteNews that Obama had been invited and had accepted.

Read more.

UPDATE: The Associated Press indicates Obama has accepted the invite:

New York Roman Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan is suing the Obama administration, but he’s inviting President Barack Obama to dinner anyway.

Dolan has asked both Obama and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney to attend the annual Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation charity dinner on Oct. 18, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of New York said Tuesday.

Romney has accepted. The Obama campaign hasn’t said publicly whether the president will attend, but Dolan’s spokesman, Joseph Zwilling, said Obama has accepted, too.

Despite his differences with Obama, Dolan held to the tradition of inviting the president because “this is not a partisan event,” Zwilling said. “It is an evening to put politics aside and come together in a spirit of civility.”



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: dinner; dolan; obama
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1 posted on 08/08/2012 2:26:59 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Here are some additional resources.

Cardinal Dolan & the Archdiocese of New York: Disinvite President Obama from the Al Smith fundraising dinner

In Defense of Cardinal Dolan

2 posted on 08/08/2012 2:29:15 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
I must say, as much as I favor civility, I could not invite that Marxist Maggot to such a dinner. You may call me intolerant, call me uncharitable, or even call me unchristian - as far as I'm concerned he is the veritable spawn of Satan, and is inflicting critical damage upon my Church, not to mention my Nation. I pray daily for our ultimate deliverance from the depradations of this consummate malefactor.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

3 posted on 08/08/2012 2:43:26 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

I understand perfectly. That is why I posted the option of signing a petition to disinvite him in my #2 comment.


4 posted on 08/08/2012 3:03:32 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: ConorMacNessa; NYer; don-o
In multiple FR postings of this same event, too many FReepers are using reflexive rash judgment rather than common sense.

Here are the possibilites. Please think about which is most likely:

(1) Dolan's brain has inexplicably turned to bathwater, he has forgotten everything he learned in past 45 months, and is toddling up to smooch the man who lied to him in public.

(2) Cardinal Dolan has, without cause or motivation, morphed into baby-sacrificing Orc.

Or:

(3) Dolan knows Obama is too much a narcissist to turn down a ("historic!") dinner invitation, and is luring him in to the most media-heavy charity event in the Media Capital of the World --- TWO WEEKS before Election Day---- to expose him as the most deadly threat to the Church in U.S. history.

Who's the pawn on this chess board? And who's the bishop?

Think, think...

If you still have serious misgivings, please take them straight to the padre:

archbishop.dolan@archny.org


5 posted on 08/08/2012 3:07:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do not be rash with your mouth." - Ecclesiastes 5:2)
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To: NYer
I missed that. Thanks vey much.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

6 posted on 08/08/2012 3:12:03 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I hope you're right, Mrs. D! 



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

7 posted on 08/08/2012 3:13:59 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Dolan’s predessors didn’t invite nominees or presidents that crapped all over the Catholic Church. Obama has not only spit in the face of the Church he is trying his best to destroy it.

I can see the campaign add now. The minute the dinner is history there will be pictures of Dolan and Obama the church hater hugging and high-fiving. The White House is laughing in the face of Dolan and must think he’s the biggest moron this side of the moon.

Unless Dolan comes to his senses and this invitation is recinded Dolan might as well be working for the reelection of Obama the sodomnite-loving, baby-killing, Church hater.

I have lost all respect for Dolan.


8 posted on 08/08/2012 3:16:04 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Mears

bfl


9 posted on 08/08/2012 3:18:40 PM PDT by Mears
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To: NYer
Maybe they should have it catered by Chik-Fil-A.
10 posted on 08/08/2012 3:20:02 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You're being entirely too reasonable for 90%
posting on FR. Sad commentary, but true, at
least to this old lurker. Too many people
here are wasting our time.
Thanks to you, maybe they will slow down before
they show their impaired I.Q.’s on this important
part of the campaign.
11 posted on 08/08/2012 3:42:45 PM PDT by seenenuf ( Save the Right Supremes.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; NYer

Not being familiar with the Al Smith dinner, I checked out their web site. It appears there is a long history of inviting the Presidential candidates to speak at the dinner. I think it’s a delicious irony that President Obama’s presence will help support Catholic health causes.


12 posted on 08/08/2012 4:24:40 PM PDT by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: NKP_Vet
The minute the dinner is history there will be pictures of Dolan and Obama the church hater hugging and high-fiving.

And the long-term effect of this is to give cover to the little old ladies who faithfully attend Mass and say their rosaries to continue voting D(emoncrap) year in and year out.

13 posted on 08/08/2012 4:45:16 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: NKP_Vet
The minute the dinner is history there will be pictures of Dolan and Obama the church hater hugging and high-fiving.

And the long-term effect of this is to give cover to the little old ladies who faithfully attend Mass and say their rosaries to continue voting D(emoncrap) year in and year out.

14 posted on 08/08/2012 4:45:30 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: rhinohunter

More on Cardinal Dolan’s betrayal.

http://on-this-rock.blogspot.com/2012/08/cardinal-dolan-invites-president-obama.html


16 posted on 08/08/2012 5:36:06 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer

There appears to be an honest disagreement on strategy on this.But I look at what I think Cardinal Dolan has done recently to convince Catholics that we must get rid of the most anti-life President of all times.Not much to change the Catholic vote.In fact my NY parish bulletin had to go to Archbishop Chaput to get a great article on religious freedom.I think of how much better Cardinal O’Connor would have handled this great pro-life opportunity.


17 posted on 08/08/2012 5:40:50 PM PDT by ardara
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To: Rashputin
I hope the Admin Mod will delete your comment because of its morally offensive suggestion. I assume that --- with reference to that one sentence --- you posted quickly and thoughtlessly.
18 posted on 08/08/2012 6:09:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do not be rash with your mouth." - Ecclesiastes 5:2)
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To: NKP_Vet

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/what-is-cardinal-dolan-up-to

What is Cardinal Dolan up to? According to reports, Dolan has extended an invitation to President Obama to the annual Al Smith dinner in New York City. The president, reportedly, has accepted.

Historically, the dinner is one of the most prestigious political events in New York City particularly during a presidential election year and candidates from both parties usually attend.

Known for its lighthearted political speeches, the major speakers deliver a series of self-deprecating jokes while ribbing their opponent at the same time. In October 2008, Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama both attended the dinner, accepting an invitation by Cardinal Egan of New York. During the dinner, Cardinal Eagan expressed his “delight” that Obama and McCain had attended, called them “outstanding exemplary Americans.”

But this year, some Catholics are surprised to hear that Archbishop Dolan had invited Obama, now that he is president. Should the Archbishop associate a fundraiser for Catholic Charities with a leader whose administration remains defiantly opposed to Church moral teachings?

It’s not unprecedented in a presidential election year for a candidate not to be invited. In 1996, Cardinal O’Connor did not invite President Clinton or Senator Dole to the dinner and, in 2004, neither Sen. John Kerry nor President Bush were invited.


19 posted on 08/08/2012 6:20:48 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
From that link:

Please delete after your read.

CatholicSeymour

AKA Don Hammond

Fort Worth, TX

I'm guessing this didn't work out!

20 posted on 08/08/2012 6:27:48 PM PDT by xone
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