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To: rusty schucklefurd
Can I add to it? I had a guy I work with a Charismatic tell my wife that her lack of faith kept her in her wheelchair. It tormented her considerably because she took him serious. I had to deal with the harm her did her mentally as if she didn't have enough on her plate. In two more weeks she will reach her 27th year since she last walked.

The guy quit a few months after that and moved away to another town Just before he left he was cheating on his wife with a woman in the company we worked at. When he returned about a year later his life was in ruins as his wife moved in with his neighbor.

I do not believe in name it claim it or everything is roses theology especially when The Bible says otherwise. Did the Disciples or Apostles die healthy? Some were murdered Stephen in his final breaths saw heaven open up. Tradition has it Peter was hung from a cross upside down.

I do believe this though. As with Daniel was in the lions den and the lions mouth were closed and as with his three students who were thrown into a furnace GOD will not forsake us but rather Christ will be there to bring us through the conclusion of it. The conclusion may well be one of being called home. So be it. Christ Kingdom and His Kingdom which is forever is not of this earth for earth shall pass away.

21 posted on 08/18/2012 2:53:59 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

God bless you, cva66snipe.

I am very saddened to hear of the suffering your wife has had to bear, and worse still to have had this so-called “Christian” add to her torment.

As I said earlier, I truly do believe these people mean well and think they are doing God’s work, but the problem is some charismatic groups don’t know or respect the Biblical text very much. They really don’t study it - they love the emotional rather than the intellect. They think that using one’s mind somehow denies the work of the Holy Spirit. Let me say again, there are charismatic groups which highly respect the scriptures and there are some that don’t. This happens across denominations as well (unfortunately).

So, as a consequence, many charismatics seem to rarely use things like context or word studies to accurately interpret a passage - for example many times they don’t get that the Greek and Hebrew words translated into English do not always give the full meaning - for example the word “love” has at least five different meanings in the Greek. To “judge” someone has at least two different meanings. Same with “speaking with tongues”, “baptized by the Spirit” - these all have specific meanings often using different Greek words but translated with the same word in English. This is where context and Greek/English lexicons come in very handy.

My point is spending hard work in studying the Biblical text is seen by many charismatics as blase over the “experience” of the Spirit, not realizing that if don’t study and really know God’s word that there are a lot of counterfeit spiritual experiences out there that lead people astray. Unfortunately, for many charismatics (the name it and claim it types) emotion and experience are seen as superior to studying sound doctrine in the Bible.

At this point I’m usually asked, “Well, how do you know that your interpretation is correct and someone else’s is wrong?” Good question, there are some passages that are open to more than one interpretation - but, most of the scriptures are very clear given the context (what comes before and after the passage you are reading) and understanding of the vocabulary.

I love what you said here:

“I do believe this though. As with Daniel was in the lions den and the lions mouth were closed and as with his three students who were thrown into a furnace GOD will not forsake us but rather Christ will be there to bring us through the conclusion of it. The conclusion may well be one of being called home. So be it. Christ Kingdom and His Kingdom which is forever is not of this earth for earth shall pass away.”

You are absolutely correct. Again, God bless you and your sweet wife. It is difficult to always keep things in their proper perspective, but I heard a sentiment the other day which helped me. It said that, “As bad as life on this earth gets is inversely proportionate as to how good it will be with God and His Son, the Lord Jesus, in Heaven.” I, like you, look forward to that “new Heaven, and a new earth”. Come, Lord Jesus.


25 posted on 08/18/2012 10:02:19 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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