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To: RaisingCain
"Salvation happens first, and works happen next:"

No. One does not even need to know who God is to be saved. All that matters is that they value the things that God values.

23 posted on 08/18/2012 10:23:30 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

“No. One does not even need to know who God is to be saved. All that matters is that they value the things that God values.”


Paul is very clear. There is no sense that works are required, or that one can be saved outside of Christ by simply valuing what God values, whatever it is you mean by that. The scripture requires that you have faith in Jesus Christ, and that once this is done you are baptized by the Holy Spirit. From that point on the Spirit dwells in you and you in Christ. Perhaps I am just misunderstanding you though.


26 posted on 08/18/2012 10:30:48 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: spunkets
"Salvation happens first, and works happen next:"

No. One does not even need to know who God is to be saved. All that matters is that they value the things that God values.

You are a Universalist then? Or at least you reject all that crazy talk about believing in Jesus? Is this from your specially custom edited Bible? Or can we find this doctrine in some more generally accepted version? Because my Bible says this:

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

And this ...

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And a few other passages of similar effect. Well, really, more than a few. Just sayin ...

Peace,

SR

33 posted on 08/18/2012 10:53:03 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: spunkets
One does not even need to know who God is to be saved. All that matters is that they value the things that God values.

How many of them? And how well must I value them? I like flowers, God likes flowers ... am I saved?

139 posted on 08/20/2012 6:35:26 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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