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“The notion that Catholics deify Mary, or worship her, or think she is the Savior, etc.—All these notions are the accusations of anti-Catholic bigots. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Catechism of the Council of Trent from cover to cover, and you will not find a scintilla of a hint of a suggestion that the Catholic Church teaches any of these preposterous notions about Mary.”

It is not the teaching of the Bible either. Whether it is official church doctrine or not is irrelevant. Catholics do exactly the things you deny above. Feel free to chalk that up to disobedience to church doctrine just as they often disobey other official teachings. But it is a matter of fact that several Catholics on this forum have repeatedly argued for Mary to have co-Redeemer status with Christ.

Catholics are well known for the religious icons of Mary and others that they bow and pray toward.

The common Catholic instruction of saying hail Mary’s is yet another example. The very term “mother of God” is an abomination which I’m sure would break the heart of the real Mary if God allows her any awareness of this tragedy.

Opposing false doctrine does not make one an anti-Catholic bigot any more than opposing the homosexual agenda makes us anti-gay, or gay bashers / haters. Does opposing things that cause people to go to hell mean we hate people?

Mary is the co-redeemer, but essentially in the same way that any Holy Person is a co-redeemer. We believe she was sinless, but not a female Christ. The early Church spoke of Mary as the “second Eve,” Just as Even was born sinless, so was Mary. But Eve was disobedient, Mary was faithful. Always faithful. The Church’s doctrine on Mary is basically a reflection on the first two chapters of Luke. For those who think of this as no more than a fairytale, this can have no signficance, but it is for the majority of Christians, central to our faith. “And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.”as John Says.

The term “Mother of God” is a translation of Mater Dei. But the Greek term is Theotokos, which is more literally translated as “God-bearer.” The term means that she gave birth to the God-man Jesus. Some would say, well she was the mother of Jesus but not God. No one says that she was the Mother of the Holy Trinity, only the mother of Jesus. But we also teach the Jesus was true God, and true man. Man in the round, body and soul. So Mary is central to the Incarnation. The ark of the New Covenant.

I do not know about the title of the thread but you are wrong about the Mother of God.

When we do not believe in the Mother of God. You are either confused believer or working on the wrong side. Did you know you do not believe that Jesus had a Mother if you declare she is not the Mother of God.

Well we have a problem "Houston " .

If Jesus Christ is sinless like the Bible shows. We have to look at what makes Him sinless. We believe he is sinless because he never broke a commandment. Now what are the commandments. There are at least ten commandments beside six hundred thirteen mosaic laws. We know that God became man in Jesus Christ (1John4 ) according to Biblical evidence. Which this logic fits into a line of reasoning that can not be broken. He came by birth of a human female as told by the archangel Gabriel to Mary which puts her in the equation. If he is God by perfection meaning spotless lamb equals sinless man Than the greatest commandment is as good as the least commandment if he is spotless. Because if one is not held up neither is he the Sinless Savoir.

Also if he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow which was written after his gospel ( his birth and his resurrection) accounts by the Apostles he is unchanged since this time. Divinity in birth by woman equals a mother of his humanity and divinity (1John4)together in the human race. Which is what 1John4 is the test par none of the true Christ as The Apostle John points out. Since he is sinless not to go against any commandment as Savoir and God. He can not ignore or mean to dis honor his mother in the commandment for Mother and Father of a human.

Since he is human he has to obey the commandment of Honor your Father and Mother. He can not ever and I mean ever slip in a deliberate act of dishonor to his parents. All the perfection and purity of God our Savoir falls if we believe otherwise. He being God to live for ever and ever is him being perfect in commandments observing for all eternity. We especially see he is the wounded/ slain lamb in the book of Revelation. Well for him to be wounded means he is still in the "cloth" of humanity. He is just as human as right after the resurrection and his ascension into heaven. Which means special favor on his parents. Whether we like it or not this commandment is for us to honor/ favor your mother.

If he is King his mother is special/ honor to him or he would be a liar thus not the sinless Savoir. He is not a liar.

The human mother of Jesus can not mean not of God because : Jesus in the flesh/human equals his fleshly Mother is indeed the Mother of God because of 1 John4.

You can not have this biblical reality deem otherwise then there is no true Christ without His Divinity having flesh which only came through a Mother. This is why Mary is the mother of God/ Divinity whether you like it or not.