Posted on 09/02/2012 1:22:52 PM PDT by caldera599
ROME (Reuters) - The former archbishop of Milan and papal candidate Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini said the Catholic Church was "200 years out of date" in his final interview before his death, published on Saturday.
Martini, once favored by Vatican progressives to succeed Pope John Paul II and a prominent voice in the church until his death at the age of 85 on Friday, gave a scathing portrayal of a pompous and bureaucratic church failing to move with the times.
"Our culture has aged, our churches are big and empty and the church bureaucracy rises up, our rituals and our cassocks are pompous," Martini said in the interview published in Italian daily Corriere della Sera.
"The Church must admit its mistakes and begin a radical change, starting from the pope and the bishops. The pedophilia scandals oblige us to take a journey of transformation," he said in the interview.
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Would seem the common language of the World is becoming/has become English...Would it not be naive to think that God does not have a hand in this???
Perhaps the Catholic religion should just let go of the old, dead Latin just as it one time let go of the old, dead Greek...
So the Catholic religion claims...However when one reads and believes the entirety of the scriptures, one is clearly led away from the Catholic religion...
The churches began to empty in Europe as many clerics abandoned their faith for the tenants of the Enlightenment. That led in France to the French revolution sought to destroy Christianity. In the 19th Century, we have the replacement of religion by ideology and the worship of the state. In the 20th Century were see the state raised to supreme power and the material devastation of the world. After Vatican II, the Progressives gain control and change everything. The disaster is owing to the life-work of men like this Cardinal. Like Onama, he sees a devastated landscape and refuses to understand that it is he who has done this.
One thing is sure, that is like saying: I don’t need a boat, I’ll just swim across the Amazon.
Only if “one” agrees with your premises.
It certainly doesn’t apply to obtuse freepers.
You obviously don't know the history behind Pope Damasus I in 382 commissioning St. Jerome to produce The Vulgate which updated the Vetus Latina. Latin was the official language of the Church in the first century, several hundred years before you "think" it was.
So you think that Pilate was conversant in Aramaic even though the Romans spoke Latin?
Next time you comment on that which you know not don't forget to include the caveat "in my unlearned opinion."
"And there was also a superscription written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS." Luke 23:38
"This title therefore many of the Jews did read: because the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, in Greek, and in Latin." John 19:20
"A king, the angel of the bottomless pit; whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek Apollyon; in Latin Exterminans," Apocalypse 9:11
I was under the impression that the earliest roots of the Latin Mass as we know it date back to the reforms of the Roman Missal under Pope St. Gregory the Great.
Though it would make sense for Latin to be the “official” language of the Church so far back, considering the early spread of the faith through the Roman Empire.
My first impression is that somebody’s in a lot of trouble with the Big Boss.
Your Eminence, in 1812, Thomas Jefferson was president. Modernity is overrated.
A.A. Cunningham to Iscool:”heavily edited 66 book version of Scripture”
You’d think they’d edit the Scriptures to 67 or 65 books and stay away from the number 66. I can’t help but think of John 6:66 when many of the disciples walked away from Jesus because of his Eucharistic teaching. Even if one does edit a few books of the Bible out, how does one talk about Scripture alone while denying the Church, who led by the the Spirit, decided on those books of the Bible? It is said that there were 400 books floating around which could have been considered for inclusion in the Bible when the Church, again guided and led by the Spirit, decided on the canon of the Bible.
Look at the first line of the Nicene Creed in the English translation of the Mass, for example ... "We believe in one God, (etc.)" ... when the original Latin version ... "Credo in unum Deum" specifically means: "I believe (etc.)" The Nicene Creed is a personal profession of the Christian faith, not a communal one.
I invite you back to the Church, gorush!
The early Church’s liturgy was in Greek. The western Church switched to Latin gradually in the second or third century. Several of the Eastern Catholic Churches use Greek to this day.
Kyrie, eleison; “Lord, have mercy” is one of the surviving Greek phrases in the Latin liturgy.
You mean like the traditionalist Catholics who claim the Tridentine Mass was "used for over 1000 years" before Vatican II, even though it didn't exist until the 1600s, and claim the Mass has been in Latin "for 2000 years", even though there's no record of any liturgy even using Latin before Pope Victor I?
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