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Is work a punishment from God?
Religion News Service ^ | August 30, 2012 | Daniel Burke

Posted on 09/02/2012 5:42:32 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

On the first Monday of September, America honors working stiffs by taking a paid day off. But does Labor Day celebrate an enterprise that God intended to be a punishment?

In a recent New York Times essay on the frenetic hustle of modern life, humorist and author Tim Kreider took the Puritans and their infamous work ethic to task. They had turned toil into a virtue, he argued, whereas God had invented it to chastise the disobedient Adam and Eve.

In an interview, Kreider explained that he was referring to Genesis, in which God tells Adam “by the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat thy bread.” In the same chapter, the serpent is sentenced to an eternity of belly slithering and Eve condemned to severe childbearing pains.

“Coming as it does on the heels of the infamous Illicit Fruit Incident, the details of which there’s no need to re-hash, certainly makes it sound punitive,” said Kreider, who said he’s a veteran of 18 years of Sunday school, but no Bible scholar.

The idea that original sin ushered in a lifetime of toil is a fairly common Christian view, said Gilbert Meilaender, a professor of Christian ethics at Valparaiso University in Indiana. “Work doesn’t lose a kind of dignity it had even prior to sin, but it takes on that burdensome aspect as well,” he said.

The Creation story makes clear that Adam and Eve were expected to till and maintain the Garden of Eden, said David Jensen, author of “Responsive Labor: A Theology of Work.” The happy couple were, in a sense, co-creators with God. But after the Fall, labor turns toilsome. “It becomes something that oppresses people,” Jensen said.

Even as they acknowledged the often wracking pains of work outside Eden, some evangelicals insist that labor remains, on the whole, a good thing.

“From time to time, I hear someone characterize work as a result of the Fall of man,” Karen Swallow Prior, a professor of English at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., wrote in a school publication. “But this is a great error: for, indeed, we were created to work.”

After all, humans were made in the image of God. And the biblical God worked -- unlike those lazy Greek gods who only occasionally descended from their high-peaked home on Mount Olympus. And Jesus was a carpenter, a first-century handyman.

Nobody took work as seriously, though, as the early Protestants, especially the Puritans, who tore down distinctions between sacred and secular. All work, therefore, was on behalf of the Big Bossman in the Sky.

For Calvinists, there was another motivation: a mortal fear that God would leave them off the list of people predestined for salvation. This “salvation anxiety,” in the words of German sociologist Max Weber, led them to seek tangible signs of divine favor, such as frugality and worldly success. Weber’s influential 1905 book, “The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism,” might be summarized: “By working hard and seeing the effect of God’s blessings in my life, I acquire confidence that I am among God’s elect.”

Theology also sets the stage for Mormons’ renowned work ethic, said Matthew Bowman, author of “The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith.”

Unlike most Christians, Mormons don’t believe in original sin. Rather, they subscribe to the theory of the “fortunate Fall” -- that is, Adam and Eve’s mischievous meal was a good thing. It inaugurated free will and set the world’s wheels in motion.

So, when God tells Adam that he’ll have to work for his food, Mormons interpret that as sound advice for spiritual progression, not a punishment. “Mormons subscribe to the idea that work is something that will refine your soul, make you a better person and fine tune your human potential,” Bowman said.

“Work is a key to full joy in the plan of God,” reads a Mormon Sunday school lesson. “If we are righteous, we will return to live with our Heavenly Father, and we will have work to do. As we become like him, our work will become like his work.”

The Sunday school lesson also cites the New Testament's parable of the talents, in which a servant who failed to invest his master's money is cast into outer darkness.

Meilaender, whose book “Working” explores the spiritual side of labor, takes his cue from Luke's Gospel: The parable of the good Samaritan is Christian charity personified. But in the very next passage, Jesus praises Mary, who has left the housework to her sister Martha in order to simply sit beside Jesus.

“The two stories back-to-back illustrate loving your neighbor and loving God, which involves resting from your labors,” Meilaender said. “Somehow the whole Christian life involves both of these.”


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Work may indeed seem to be punishment to those who prefer to be idle. But I think it rewarding even to those of us performing the humblest labor, as long as we “do it heartily, as to the Lord and not to men.”
1 posted on 09/02/2012 5:42:33 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

No,it’s a lesson.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 5:46:05 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

wow, talk about a crazy idea.


3 posted on 09/02/2012 5:50:09 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

First, man worked in the Garden of Eden, so work was not a punishment. Wait, even before man worked in the Garden, God had worked for six days. What was God being being punished for?

Second, with the expulsion, man’s work was made burdensome

Third, the Bible says this was “for man’s sake.” The Hebrew words could equally be translated “because of man” (i.e., because he sinned), and “for man’s sake” (i.e., work is redemptive). I think both translations are valid.


4 posted on 09/02/2012 5:52:00 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: silentreignofheroes

C’mon now, w-o-r-k is the WORST of the 4-letter words to a large, large segment of the population...

Because it is not fun it is called work and not play. Easier to rest on one’s large, large posterior for a large, large segment of the population than it is to work.

Heck, they might lose a pound or two while working instead of inhaling chips, sodas, Twinkies, and Big Macs.


5 posted on 09/02/2012 5:53:49 PM PDT by RonInNaples
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

“My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.” — John 5:17

‘Jesus said unto them, “My meat is to do the will of him who sent me, and to finish his work.”’ — John 4:34

Lots more than those verses, too. Does God punish Himself when he creates (far more work in all senses than the human body is capable of)?


6 posted on 09/02/2012 5:54:53 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Wow, there’s no dearth of degrees and certificates and publications and public acclaim and money you can achieve by ignoring context.

How’s this: Work when you’re a passenger on an ocean liner is punitive.

But if you fall off the ocean liner, and have to work to swim to a boat, and then paddle the boat, to get to the place where the ocean liner can pick you up again, that’s not punitive, it’s a reward - when you compare it to the alternative.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 5:55:43 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

If you trust in God and Believe the story of Adam and Eve then yes work is a Punishment of sorts !


8 posted on 09/02/2012 5:55:44 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: Olog-hai

Amen, Olog-hai.


9 posted on 09/02/2012 5:57:36 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

The creation account goes deeper than just “work”. God commanded man to subdue the Earth and procreate. Despite man’s fall in the Garden, God never revoked those first two commands. Sin introduced “sweat” into the subduing of the Earth and “pain” into child birth but we are still supposed to carry out those commands.


10 posted on 09/02/2012 5:57:44 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

He who doth not work shall not eat.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 6:00:58 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

When we die and go to Heaven, it is my understanding that we don’t have to work, food stamps and generous pension checks for everyone.


12 posted on 09/02/2012 6:01:29 PM PDT by StevenFlorida
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I have a somewhat different theory:

I believe we work because it is necessary for our survival. Given our “druthers” we would play instead. So the goal of mankind is not to find work but to put work behind us and free up time for play.

This is no joke. Play can mean climbing Mt. Everest. It is to some folks while to others it is the worst kind of work. Then again, writing software is work for a lot people and to some, it is quite fun.

In the long run, mankind will work to eliminate human work. Let the machines do the work while we spend our time hiking around the Sierras and swimming at Malibu beach.

Caution: This may not happen in this century or the next but it is coming.


13 posted on 09/02/2012 6:02:23 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: InterceptPoint

It seems to me that what you are describing is retirement.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 6:05:29 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

“Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.” - Buddhist saying.

In physics, a force is said to do work when it acts on a body so that there is a displacement of the point of application, however small, in the direction of the force. Thus a force does work when there is movement under the action of the force.

Good works, or simply works, within Christian theology are a person’s external actions or deeds, contrasting with interior qualities such as grace or faith.

To be is to do. - Immanuel Kant
To do is to be. - Frederick Nietzsche
Do be do be do. - Frank Sinatra

Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. - Confucius

Work is love made visible. And if you cannot work with love but only with distaste, it is better that you should leave your work and sit at the gate of the temple and take alms of those who work with joy. - Khalil Gibran

It’s a shame that the only thing a man can do for eight hours a day is work. He can’t eat for eight hours; he can’t drink for eight hours; he can’t make love for eight hours. The only thing a man can do for eight hours is work. — William Faulkner


15 posted on 09/02/2012 6:05:58 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

To Democrats, hard work is racist.


16 posted on 09/02/2012 6:06:03 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I’ve done some work that seemed like training for Hell, but hunger and unemployment is worse.


17 posted on 09/02/2012 6:10:20 PM PDT by pallis
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To: InterceptPoint

I’ve worked, designing and operating nuclear power plants. I subsequently designed building automation systems.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 6:12:02 PM PDT by brivette
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

So is retirement a sin? Or is work only redeeming up until one is 65? Work is what it is, a means to put food on the table. To those of you who have a job you love. You are the luckiest people on the planet.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 6:13:36 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (Liberals love to do what is "best" for you, even if it kills you.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I have lived through a recent combination of coming back to the Lord and then being diagnosed with cancer and having major surgery to remove it. When I was separated from the Lord, work was a daily drudgery that I did because I love my family and because it the way I was raised. After getting my spiritual life straightened out, I realized that work was a blessing, an opportunity to live and interact with others as a Christian man.

I haven’t been able to work for the last couple of months and for the first time as an adult I truly miss it. I will finally be able to return later this month and I praise God that I have the opportunity.

In a strange way, getting cancer has brought me closer to the Lord and everyone I interact with, I am more at peace now than I have been in decades. Each day is a blessing and opportunities to interact with others is now cherished rather than avoided.

I don’t want to hijack your thread but the whole experience has been profound to me and I wanted to share my experience.


20 posted on 09/02/2012 6:15:37 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Misterioso

Thy words are profound.

I must not be a very “deep” thinker. I don’t know if work is a punishment. I do know it is what you must do to have food and shelter. And has been for a very, very long time.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 6:16:06 PM PDT by berdie
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
It seems to me that what you are describing is retirement.

It is just like retirement as we understand it. Only it starts at birth.

22 posted on 09/02/2012 6:17:02 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: brivette
I’ve worked, designing and operating nuclear power plants. I subsequently designed building automation systems.

Was it fun? As much fun as surfing?

23 posted on 09/02/2012 6:18:00 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Unless you’re working for Planned Parenthood or GLAAD or the Committee to Reelect President Obama (CREEPO).


24 posted on 09/02/2012 6:18:06 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Adam had fulfilling work to do before the fall.
Punishment came and made it unpleasant.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 6:27:25 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: InterceptPoint

I’ve never surfed, so I can’t say.


26 posted on 09/02/2012 6:31:09 PM PDT by brivette
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To: dangerdoc

God bless you dangerdoc. If this thread is being hijacked, it’s by the Holy Spirit informing the testimony you have conveyed.


27 posted on 09/02/2012 6:33:59 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Work makes you free.


28 posted on 09/02/2012 6:34:47 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

All we do in life is worship if we serve God. If not, it’s whatever we ‘think’ until we pass this life and find out the truth. Besides, work was part of the original creation - man was to tend the garden God created.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 6:41:46 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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Second, with the expulsion, man’s work was made burdensome

Wasn't that a result of man NOT LISTENING to GOD anymore ? (eating the apple).

Man went against 'instinct', against that which God 'provided'. He was therefore forced to 're-invent' the wheel, (which is where the increase in knowledge comes about).

As described in the Bible (and really, most religions and mythologies have the same concept), man used his 'free will' to choose his path. Unfortunately, Lucifer was right about many taking the lower road.

30 posted on 09/02/2012 6:59:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Work enables us to be productive.

If we are not productive in some fashion, we become unhappy and worth nothing to ourselves or anyone else.


31 posted on 09/02/2012 7:01:19 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: InterceptPoint
Let the machines do the work while we spend our time hiking around the Sierras and swimming at Malibu beach.


32 posted on 09/02/2012 7:02:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

And if it’s not a punishment but a reward, lesson, or whatever, then will we be wage slaves in heaven too?


33 posted on 09/02/2012 7:03:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

**Is work a punishment from God?**

No, we have to do our part too.


34 posted on 09/02/2012 7:03:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

“Work is the curse of the drinking classes.” — Oscar Wilde


35 posted on 09/02/2012 7:04:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: brivette

I’ve never surfed, so I can’t say.
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It’s great fun. But that was a long time ago. I have to say that designing nuclear power plants sounds like a hoot. Maybe not as great as surfing but not bad.You probably had a lot of fun. The best kind of work.


36 posted on 09/02/2012 7:07:38 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
If you trust in God and Believe the story of Adam and Eve then yes work is a Punishment of sorts !

It was more of CAUSE and EFFECT.

Because we wouldn't listen, and were more interested in what we WANT than in what we NEED, the effect is that we have to toil 'against' nature.

37 posted on 09/02/2012 7:07:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

There once was a man who was asleep one night in his cabin when suddenly his room filled with light and the Saviour appeared to him.

The Lord told him He had a work for him to do, and showed him a large rock explaining that he was to push against the rock with all his might. This the man did, and for many days he toiled from sunup to sundown; his shoulder set squarely against the cold massive surface of the rock, pushing with all his might. Each night the man returned to his cabin sore and worn out, feeling his whole day had been spent in vain.

Seeing that the man showed signs of discouragement, Satan decided to enter the picture - placing thoughts in the man’s mind, such as ``Why kill yourself over this?, you’re never going to move it!’’ or ``Boy, you’ve been at it a long time and you haven’t even scratched the surface!’’ etc. giving the man the impression the task was impossible and the man was an unworthy servant because he wasn’t moving the massive stone.

These thoughts discouraged and disheartened the man and he started to ease up in his efforts. ``Why kill myself?’’ he thought. ``I’ll just put in my time putting forth just the minimum of effort and that will be good enough.’’ And this he did or at least planned on doing until, one day, he decided to take his troubles to the Lord.

``Lord,’’ he said, ``I have labored hard and long in Your service, putting forth all my strength to do that which You have asked of me. Yet after all this time, I have not even budged that rock even half a millimeter. What is wrong? Why am I failing?’’

To this the Lord responded compassionately, ``My friend, when long ago I asked you to serve Me and you accepted, I told you to push against the rock with all your strength and that you have done. But never once did I mention to you that I expected you to move it. At least not by yourself.

Your task was to push. And now you come to Me, your strength spent, thinking that you have failed, ready to quit. But is this really so? Look at yourself. Your arms are strong and muscled; your back sinewed and brown. Your hands are calloused from constant pressure and your legs have become massive and hard. Through opposition you have grown much and you

r ability now far surpasses that which you used to have. Yet still, you haven’t succeeded in moving the rock; and you come to Me now with a heavy heart and your strength spent. I, my friend will move the rock. Your calling was to be obedient and push, and to exercise your faith and trust in My wisdom, and this you have done.’

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38 posted on 09/02/2012 7:08:32 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Work should be the calling God placed in our souls- to manifest his image.
39 posted on 09/02/2012 7:09:38 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I don’t know, I like my job, but I like time off more. Reading, watching movies, swimming, the bike trail. Work’s just got nothing to compare to those.


40 posted on 09/02/2012 7:10:22 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Labor Day: How it Came About; What it Means

Labor Day, the first Monday in September, is a creation of the labor movement and is dedicated to the social and economic achievements of American workers. It constitutes a yearly national tribute to the contributions workers have made to the strength, prosperity, and well-being of our country.

http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

Labor Day is the invention of the unions. They were not satisfied with government setting a minimum wage they needed a ‘day’ to honor themselves. Anyone think for one moment that what God said means squat to the fathers of the union movement?

41 posted on 09/02/2012 7:26:59 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
work is God's way of keeping you out of the bar all day...
42 posted on 09/02/2012 7:27:06 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: berdie

If it wasn’t, we wouldn’t be here today.


43 posted on 09/02/2012 7:29:18 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
work is God's way of keeping you out of the bar all day...
44 posted on 09/02/2012 7:29:24 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: rabidralph

Now, now...


45 posted on 09/02/2012 7:34:43 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s appears that man was expelled from the Garden not merely for the sin of eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil but also for attempting to blame another (he his wife and she the serpent). It might have been, if man had simply repented, God would have forgiven them. Which is worse, brother, the sin or the cover-up? We, being human, can’t help but sin. God, being God, is anxious to forgive us.


46 posted on 09/02/2012 7:37:48 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: sauropod

:-0


47 posted on 09/02/2012 7:51:14 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Although I'm a Christian I always remember this pronouncement by some Chinese guy....

Before Enlightenment....Chop Wood, Carry Water. After Enlightenment....Chop Wood, Carry Water.

48 posted on 09/02/2012 8:12:48 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Work!

Thank God for the might of it,
The ardor, the urge, the delight of it-
Work that springs from the heart’s desire,
Setting the brain and the soul on fire-
Oh, what is so good as the heat of it,
And what is so glad as the beat of it,
And what is so kind as the stern command,
Challenging brain and heart and hand?

Work!
Thank God for the pride of it,
For the beautiful, conquering tide of it,
Sweeping the life in its furious flood,
Thrilling the arteries, cleansing the blood,
Mastering stupor and dull despair,
Moving the dreamer to do and dare.
Oh, what is so good as the urge of it,
And what is so good as the surge of it,
And what is so strong as the summons deep,
Rousing the torpid soul from sleep?

Excerpt from “Work: A Song of Triumph”
Angela Morgan, 1930


49 posted on 09/02/2012 8:38:10 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Having no work is a punishment from God.

Or something.

50 posted on 09/02/2012 9:56:16 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 63 days away.)
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