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IS ALLAH, BAAL? Allah = Hubal = Baal
Blog thread, discussion ^ | 9/2005 | Jakko

Posted on 09/21/2012 9:21:40 PM PDT by hope_dies_last

The Biblical and historical evidence shows that the Moabites worshiped Baal. The pre-Islamic and Muslim sources show (a) that the Meccans took over the idol Hubal from the Moabites and (b) that Allah and Hubal are actually identical. Thus, whether the Meccans are Ishmaelites or not, the evidence is still strong and sufficient to conclude that Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites and thus not the God of the Bible. Muhammad incorporated the characteristics and names of various other gods into his new monotheistic message about Allah, but he apparently started the construction of Allah with Hubal, the chief god of the Meccans....

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TOPICS: Islam; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: allah; baal; falsedoctrine; gods; idol; prophet
This is a question in my mind, that through ongoing research is becoming clear and more apparent that Allah is NOT synonymous by any stretch of the imagination with the God of the Bible.... no matter what they'd have you believe.

Another deception, in a great age of deception... "study to find yourself approved..."

1 posted on 09/21/2012 9:21:44 PM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: hope_dies_last

Not exactly on topic but...

The Twelfth Imam- Joel Rosenberg

Epicenter 2.0 Why the Current Rumblings in the Middle East Will Change Your Future - Joel Rosenberg

The Islamic Antichrist- Joel Richardson

Armageddon Oil and Terror- John F. Walvoord
http://files.tyndale.com/thpdata/FirstChapters/978-1-4143-1610-9.pdf

They are pretty good, a couple were mind blowing for me.


2 posted on 09/21/2012 9:35:23 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

Great resources... thanks!
At least half of the populations is deceived in one shape or form, but if you include the deception in several areas of life, you would end of with the vast majority being deceived in one way or another. Sad but true actually.


3 posted on 09/21/2012 9:48:11 PM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: hope_dies_last

Radical Islam is a religion of death. The jihadists brag about desiring death more than life. The spirit of Islam does seem like Baal worship. Baal desires human blood, especially of innocent victims. Islam has is a blood lust cult.

Check out my blog: Questions about Islam. http://debatingislamquestionstoconsider.blogspot.com/


4 posted on 09/21/2012 9:53:51 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: hope_dies_last
Interesting...

Do you think the Antichrist will practice "taquia"???
5 posted on 09/21/2012 9:56:03 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: hope_dies_last

Why do they jump up and down with anger like wanton zombies? Not that I care.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 9:57:22 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: hope_dies_last

Wherever they came from, they are murderers, period.


7 posted on 09/21/2012 10:02:53 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: hope_dies_last

I’ve read research suggesting that the name Allah comes from the name Enlil.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 10:03:09 PM PDT by pallis
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To: hope_dies_last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEAlVcq4YNw


9 posted on 09/21/2012 10:04:53 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: hope_dies_last
Chi xi sigma : 666















10 posted on 09/21/2012 10:11:38 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: hope_dies_last

Is Allah Baal?

No. The true ideological descendants of Baal worshipers are liberals.

The pillars or ‘sacraments’ of modern liberalism are abortion, gay rights and environmentalism.

The principal pillars of Baalism were child sacrifice, sexual immorality (both heterosexual and homosexual) and pantheism (reverence of creation over the Creator).


11 posted on 09/21/2012 10:19:34 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

100% agree with you.


12 posted on 09/21/2012 10:21:52 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: hope_dies_last

Mohammed came along long after Baal, so, not directly from that one. “Allah” is simply another false god and probably a composite one, since Mohammed’s religion is a composite of various other religions.


13 posted on 09/21/2012 10:23:29 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: hope_dies_last
Baal is where the word Beelzebub, or Ba‘al az-Zubab comes from... Baal is the root word.

Jews called baal lord of the flies...

Baallah .. fitting ?


14 posted on 09/21/2012 10:32:49 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

That maybe true, but, they, the liberals have hooked their cart to Islam and their co-horts.


15 posted on 09/21/2012 10:36:56 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: hope_dies_last

Baal = Allah ? Nah, Baal’s WAY too rational.

Besides, some of the time Baal actually did some type of good (like help with the harvest). From what I have seen, Allah is good for nothing.

Oldplayer


16 posted on 09/21/2012 10:48:20 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: American Constitutionalist

Interesting. I’ve always noticed a lot of flies around 0bummer.

http://randysroundtable.blogspot.com/2010/08/west-wing-getting-facelift-or-fumigated.html


17 posted on 09/21/2012 10:49:31 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: skr

Mohammad being of the root of the Egyptian Haggar/Abraham was a jealous zealot who felt the need to counter the Sarah/Abraham root of David and Jesus. The whole Islam religion is contrived from the intentions of Mohammad.


18 posted on 09/21/2012 10:51:02 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: hope_dies_last

Ba’al or Azaezel.


19 posted on 09/21/2012 11:05:41 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

“The principal pillars of Baalism were child sacrifice, sexual immorality (both heterosexual and homosexual) and pantheism (reverence of creation over the Creator).”

I’m tired, so I’ll keep this simple: what you said supports the case rather than counters it. Only the last point may be confusing, but rendering allah “unknowable” is a different form of the same thing.


20 posted on 09/21/2012 11:22:39 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: hope_dies_last

and who is the anti-christ? the one who says Yahshua did not come in the flesh...hmmm...allah has no son...
and who is the False Prophet...hmmm...Mohammed? There you go folks, right under our noses. The Anti-Christ and the False Prophet. Can’t deny this one.


21 posted on 09/21/2012 11:38:50 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: pallis

Allah is the word for god. That is what it means, christians in the arab word use the word allah to say god. Its like a chinese person saying the chinese version of the word god.
On topic though it depends on the perspective. The Quran is filled with practically every character in the old and new testament, has more quotations from Moses than any other individual, and after him comes Jesus. I believe archangel Gabriel gave mohammed the book, or something of that sort. So from their perspective he is the same god and they view Islam as a successor to Judiasm and Christianity.
Obviously we do not and therefore see that they are wrong and denounce their “god”, in much the same way Jewish people denounce Christians claiming Jesus is not the Messiah.

In any case the bible is very heavily influenced from Paganism, but thats a whole other discussion.


22 posted on 09/21/2012 11:56:40 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: hope_dies_last

They say they believe in the God of Abraham, but I am not so certain what is in their hearts.


23 posted on 09/22/2012 12:07:11 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: hannibaal

There is no new Testament in the Koran.

I have read it.

They reject the new covenant.


24 posted on 09/22/2012 12:12:24 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: hannibaal

Islam rejects Jesus and the Holy Spirit as a false Gods.
I don’t see either as Gods, but rather the grace of God.

I am a monotheist so I understand their take. What I don’t get is what they get so upset about that they find The Notion of Jesus being the Son of God, or that they are offended by the notion of the Holy Spirit in man.

At any rate after Sunday prayers my preacher never told me to kill and lop heads off in the name of God.

Islam is whack.


25 posted on 09/22/2012 12:32:51 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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In America, after Church we have a dinner social.
In Islam they go wilding.


26 posted on 09/22/2012 12:38:30 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I think its because they believe god is so great that he is beyond the realm of man, that it makes god look lesser if he has a son as any man can have a son.
Something like that; they see Jesus as a great prophet and the Virgin Mary as a symbol of purity but not as the son of God, which they feel lessens his greatness.
Thats my take on it, from my time in the Middle East.


27 posted on 09/22/2012 12:48:14 AM PDT by hannibaal
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To: hannibaal

Allah most likely comes from the word Enlil, a pagan god, and that explains why the name Allah can be feminized, and why the name Elohim cannot. Allah has Allat, as Enlil has Ninlil. The progression of the name can be traced. Not only the name was changed to al-ilah and eventually Allah, but there was a role change from sun god to moon god as Allah assumed his role as head of the Arab pantheon. It’s difficult staying up with the changing pagan gods and their roles, and Semitic mythology is the worst.

Mohammad in borrowing heavily from the Bible was the one who promoted the use of the name Allah as a generic term for God. No doubt it is used by many in the Mideast that way, but there is no association between Allah, the head of Mecca’s pantheon and Yahweh or Yeshua. Christians using the name Allah in reference to God are making a mistake perpetrated by Mohammad and centuries of Islamic oppression. Christians in the West should not buy into the falsehood that Allah represents God. It is very PC, and very incorrect.


28 posted on 09/22/2012 12:59:40 AM PDT by pallis
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To: hannibaal

Whats with the lopping off of heads?


29 posted on 09/22/2012 2:16:42 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: hope_dies_last

All that matters to me is that “allah” is not YHWH!


30 posted on 09/22/2012 4:40:14 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: hannibaal

I see a similarity in what you say here with what is going on with Obama. Let me explain.

Obama and the media do not want us going beneath the cover to discover his real origins. The country of his natural birth, the Communist Marshall Davis who mentored him as a young lad, his college days records, etc. The media, the Democrat party, want the lid kept on all this. They work to keep the masses dumbed down.

Same thing with Allah and it’s origins. Both are major cover ups. You have to look beneath the surface to find truth.


31 posted on 09/22/2012 5:45:13 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: pallis

“Mohammad in borrowing heavily from the Bible was the one who promoted the use of the name Allah as a generic term for God.”

What did arab speaking Christians and Jews use for the word ‘God’ before Islam?

Freegards


32 posted on 09/22/2012 6:48:06 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: hope_dies_last

Allah = Sin


33 posted on 09/22/2012 6:59:42 AM PDT by numberonepal (First they came for Sarah, then they came for Herman.....)
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To: hope_dies_last

The Islamic Connection to Rome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKJSGA4fP3c


34 posted on 09/22/2012 7:21:29 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: hope_dies_last

PFL


35 posted on 09/22/2012 7:39:53 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Lera

Very insightful video and series
Truth is readily available to those who earnestly seek it.
Maranatha! Lo, come quickly Lord!


36 posted on 09/22/2012 7:43:19 AM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: hope_dies_last

Maranatha!


37 posted on 09/22/2012 8:52:22 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: mylife

They worship the first god of Abraham... When Abe was still in ur.


38 posted on 09/22/2012 10:22:08 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

The King of Ur, And The Queen of Umm.


39 posted on 09/22/2012 1:18:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: hope_dies_last
Revelation 13
1 And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

Daniel 11
37 He shall give no heed to the gods of his fathers, [Chemosh, Molech] or to the one beloved by women; [Ashtoreth] he shall not give heed to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 He shall honor the god of fortresses instead of these; [Allah] a god whom his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.

39 He shall deal with the strongest fortresses by the help of a foreign god; [Allah] those who acknowledge him he shall magnify with honor. He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price.

2 Kings 23
13 The king also desecrated the high places that were east of Jerusalem on the south of the Hill of Corruption--the ones Solomon king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the vile goddess of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the vile god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the people of Ammon.

See Psalm 83 for the 10 horns/nations.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/muslim_distribution.jpg

40 posted on 09/24/2012 9:58:30 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Chi ha-Olamim)
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To: hope_dies_last
Revelation 13
1 And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

Daniel 11
37 He shall give no heed to the gods of his fathers, [Chemosh, Molech] or to the one beloved by women; [Ashtoreth] he shall not give heed to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 He shall honor the god of fortresses instead of these; [Allah] a god whom his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.

39 He shall deal with the strongest fortresses by the help of a foreign god; [Allah] those who acknowledge him he shall magnify with honor. He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price.

2 Kings 23
13 The king also desecrated the high places that were east of Jerusalem on the south of the Hill of Corruption--the ones Solomon king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the vile goddess of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the vile god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the people of Ammon.

See Psalm 83 for the 10 horns/nations.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/muslim_distribution.jpg

41 posted on 09/24/2012 10:03:00 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Chi ha-Olamim)
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