Posted on 10/23/2012 7:00:05 PM PDT by Gamecock
I've never heard of McLaren unless he runs a Formula 1 team as well, but this title smacks of Universalism
Are you referring to Brian McLaren, his son, or both?
The whole nut-wagon lot of them, the fruit loops and flakes too
So much better to worship icons and weeping statues and every Mark, Luke and Mary instead of the true path of going to heaven through the salvation of Jesus.
Jesus is the only Saint, the only deity we are told to pray through to reach God.
McLaren is simply a symptom of the “Emergent Church Movement.” He is only one of dozens of “Christian” leaders with this world view.
I’ve come to recognize that this heretical teaching is infiltrating even traditionally orthodox churches. When a church begins segregating services into “traditional” and “contemporary” worship, be assured that this is the beginning of this leaven working its way into the whole body.
We start out damned, because of our sins. We then can choose salvation, and thereby become saved. If we do nothing, we remain damned.
Dude, you know nothing about McLaren or "emergent" Christianity. They hate Protestantism. It is a post-modern mindset that believes there is no such thing as truth, only individual "narratives". The hate is strong in you.
Oh, come on. That is a ridiculous statement and your heart very well knows it. It would be as ridiculous as saying that romanism is much easier than true Christianity. You don’t have to worry or pray about what to think or say or do, just do what the system tells you and have the dead pray for you so you don’t have to face God.
You know that you know better. But yet you took the time to type something like that. sigh...
“The Holy Church of Christ Without Christ: where the blind don’t see, the lame don’t walk, and what’s dead stays that way.” - Flannery O’Connor
BUMP
None of this nonsense is marriage...’if wishes was fishes’...
avenir wrote:
“ It seems odd, but the God who rightly condemns is the same God who provides salvation from His own rightful condemnation!”
Nicely phrased. You have succinctly encapsulated the out-of-this-world nature of God, “who so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.”
I guess we are going to have to disagree on the doctrine of total depravity to a degree. We begin wounded by original sin, but not damned by it. Can we agree, as Thomas Aquinas wrote, that special Grace is necessary for us to do any supernaturally good act, to love God, to fulfill God's commandments, to gain eternal life, to prepare for salvation, to rise from sin, to avoid sin, and to persevere, and that we must cooperate with that special Grace?
Peace be with you
LOL “Married”? LOL Hardly. This isn’t a real marriage, this is a FLUKE partnership
The term “marriage” should only be reserved for couples who can produce young. They need the tax break to take care of their offspring. It is biologically IMPOSSIBLE for homosexuals to procreate.
Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman. Anything else is a joke. The government can claim these 2 men are “married” all they want, they aren’t married in my eyes.
2 men are friends, not spouses
Catholics know all about Jesus...He founded our religion. Your statements concerning Catholics show that you know little or nothing....Noone "worships" icons...we decorate our buildings with them.
This is wrong on so many level it suggests that it is intentionally so. Catholics worship only the Triune God. We do not worship icons, statues (weeping or otherwise) or saints. Eastern Catholics believe that icons represent a window to a heaven through which we can more accurately contemplate God in all His glory. It is strictly a tool to help focus the mind, much like religious art of all kinds in the Roman Rite. We do not worship saints, we venerate them. Perhaps your error arises from too narrowly defining the verb "to pray" and being synonymous with worship.
Jesus is the only Saint, the only deity we are told to pray through to reach God."
Jesus is not a Saint, He is the second hypostasis in the hypostatic union that is the Trinity. He one in being with the Father, wholly God.
Peace be with you
really????the christian church (Catholic) did just fine for 1500+years. The along came Luther who not only made up his own rules, but added the alone to an Epistle of St. Paul. Along came Zwingley, Calvin, Henry VIII, Wesley, and all had their own interpretation of what the rules should be. Birth control is O.K., divorce and remarriage is perfectly fine with God, some don't allow organ music in their churches, some are into handling snakes.....
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
O.K.
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