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Obama’s collision with the Catholic Church is 'assured,' Fr. Pavone says
Life Site News ^ | November 7, 2012 | BEN JOHNSON

Posted on 11/08/2012 12:39:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: NYer

Father Pavone should not expect the politicians to be the preacher on morals. They count votes. Father Pavone should advocate more preaching to change the minds of the listeners. Majority wins.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 1:08:45 PM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: onyx
Shame on them, and SHAME on the mealy-mouthed bishops who didn't and don't have backbone to stand firmly against Obama.

They are too worried about loss of membership. So what if all these CINOs leave the Church? The Church will have to consolidate, sure. But having all these CINOs in the church doesn't increase church influence because all these rat-votings don't agree with or represent Catholic values and teachings anyway.

The wheat will be separated from the chaff. The bishops need to realize this, accept it and grow a pair.

22 posted on 11/08/2012 1:09:12 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: notaliberal

The out-of-wedlock birth rate among Hispanics is 53%, 2x the rate among whites.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 1:12:09 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: don-o
"Now, I understand it very well."

Yup, and there are millions of people who call themselves conservative who are patting themselves on the back for staying home and not voting. Instead of at least stabilizing the patient they decided that if there were no instant cure the patient may as well just go ahead and die.

I wonder how many of them will stay silent rather than complaining since they stayed home rather than even trying?

24 posted on 11/08/2012 1:12:48 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: NYer

They voted for him. So they get what they deserve.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 1:14:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Erik Latranyi
Under liberalism, believing in a diety is like believing in the Easter Bunny.......a childish, unsophisticated way of living life.

You are absolutely right. Who needs God when we have government? It used to be that when someone went on unemployment, they had to give up certain niceties in life until they could find a job. Today, going on unemployment or welfare warrants the individual is entitled to the 'basics' in life - flat screen tv, "Obama"phone, food stamps, etal. Why bother working?

26 posted on 11/08/2012 1:15:23 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: Jean2; NYer
I am soo sick of the Catholic bashing. Don't you realize how the exit polling worked here? Any Tom, Dick or Harry who was baptized in the Church but hasn't been to Mass since they were 8 years old or the 'catholics' that only go to Mass on Christmas are Catholic about as much as Ackmadinnerjacket is.

The USCCB has been very vocal, and surprisingly united over the HHS mandate. Even the liberal bishops saw the light and every single bishop came out loudly against the mandate.

I'll grant that there are still liberal priests and bishops about and some use the fear of losing thier 501c3 status as a shield, but the priests and bishops I have heard have been pretty direct about this election. Don't speak of that which you don't know.

Cardinal Dolan said boldly (and it is looking clearer and clearer) that "my successor will die in prison... and his successor will die a martyr". The Pope himself said that the Church would become smaller, but it would also become stronger. There's a lot of fight in the Catholic organizations out there and they are leading the charge for life. Easy enough to use this opportunity to bash the Church, or you can join the fight in our common cause to defend the innocent unborn from encroaching and emboldened socialism. No matter the stripe or color, we can all take up the fight together. It is pointless to turn on your brothers and sisters. Unless you are relishing Tuesday's outcome.
27 posted on 11/08/2012 1:20:31 PM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: NYer

The question is: why wasn’t this the case FOUR YEARS AGO?


28 posted on 11/08/2012 1:20:32 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: NYer

The seeds for a second American civil war have been planted.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 1:20:57 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Jean2

Sadly, these “Catholics” are NOT Sunday Church goers....they are CINO’s, and will have a LOT to answer for in eternity.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 1:21:08 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Include parish priests with the bishops.

We do not need cafeteria Catholics.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 1:21:19 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: StarFan

bookmark


32 posted on 11/08/2012 1:26:11 PM PST by StarFan
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To: Graing

AMEN!! My priests and Bishop were adamnat in the bulletins and sermons and paryers!! I was VERY happy.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 1:26:51 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: onyx; Wyrd bið ful aræd

Too little, too late, the issue is the Catholic vote.

Catholics have always voted democrat, it is argued whether 1972 was the first time or the second time (1956) that the Catholic vote went republican, in history.

Hispanics were not around then.

Just as the white Catholics started drifting toward voting republican , JFK’s democratic party and Rome’s immigration policy was replacing them with Hispanic Catholics, so the Catholic denomination’s vote will remain as it always has, democratic.

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960. In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin. After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


34 posted on 11/08/2012 1:28:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: NYer
Today, going on unemployment or welfare warrants the individual is entitled to the 'basics' in life - flat screen tv, "Obama"phone, food stamps, etal. Why bother working?

Rush said is years ago.....we have made being unemployed, uneducated, etc too easy for the people.

35 posted on 11/08/2012 1:32:01 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: ansel12
The real issue is not the Catholic vote.

Judging by turnout, we all know the real issue - we are just afraid to confront it. Millions of conservatives decided to "teach the GoP a lesson" because Romney was not conservative enough for them, RomneyCare, etc. and simply refused to vote for him. The turnout, compared to turnout for McCain, tells a pretty clear story.

Yes, conservatives who were staying home out of principle and refusing to vote for Romney we a major reason we have the second term of Obama.
36 posted on 11/08/2012 1:34:50 PM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: RetiredArmy
His fellow Catholics choose socialism over life and having homo marriage.

The nominal ones. There is a body of dogmatic teaching in Catholicism that all Catholics must adhere to and be judged by --even priests and bishops.

Nonetheless, bishops here, and in Europe, have been soft on socialism. Since public policy is largely an area of prudential judgement, it's difficult to ride herd on bishops. Statesmanship isn't their primary responsibility, but it is tangentially related to their mission of saving souls. And some public policy issues relating to intrinsic evils, such as abortion, euthanasia, and homosexual "marriage," clearly fall within the responsibility of clergy to address.

Finally, there are some bright spots. The Church has led the fight against abortion in the U.S. since at least Roe v. Wade. Ask anyone involved in the movement.

And in Massachusetts, Catholic Charities closed their adoption agencies rather than participate in facillitating the adoption of children by homosexuals.

37 posted on 11/08/2012 1:35:08 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Graing

AMEN!


38 posted on 11/08/2012 1:37:00 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: Graing
Any Tom, Dick or Harry who was baptized in the Church but hasn't been to Mass since they were 8 years old or the 'catholics' that only go to Mass on Christmas are Catholic about as much as Ackmadinnerjacket is.

The Catholic category is much more rigid and exclusive than the Protestant category, "Catholic" means members of that single denomination, of that single teaching, single culture, of people actually baptized into that church, and who still consider themselves as members of that church, which they are.

To be counted as "Protestant" they merely have to be Christian and not Catholic. They don't have have ever to belonged to any church, or even be baptized, or they can belong to any range of churches or denominations, Black, Episcopalian, homosexual, Obama's church, Southern Baptist, Lutherans, or whatever.

39 posted on 11/08/2012 1:37:53 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Graing
we a major reason we have the second term of Obama.

Oops : *were


40 posted on 11/08/2012 1:38:35 PM PST by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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