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The 2012 Catholic Vote: An Early Assessment (breakdown by state)
The Catholic Thing ^ | November 19, 2012 | George J. Marlin

Posted on 11/19/2012 3:58:19 AM PST by NYer

I live in Long Island and in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy my home was without electricity, heat or lights for 14 days, 2 hours, and 30 minutes.  Sitting in the dark every night shivering in my living room (which hit a low of 49 degrees), I had plenty of time to brood over the disastrous 2012 election results, the way Catholics voted in particular, and why it happened.

Here’s what I came up with:

GOP internal tracking polls that had Romney winning were wrong because pollsters could not factor into their mathematical formulas the effectiveness of Obama’s Election Day ground operation. Obama people may be awful at governing, but they excel at mobilizing turnout.

Leftist community organizers, often financed by our tax dollars, have been fine tuning their “get out the vote” techniques since the mid-1960s.  And during the past four years, they went beyond identifying voting blocs by zip codes or neighborhoods. They actually compiled dossiers on millions of individuals who were sympathetic to their agenda and personalized messages designed to push their political hot buttons.

Obama’s Chicago gang focused on turning out pro-abortion single women, Latinos, African-Americans, and recipients of government welfare programs – and keeping home 2008 Obama supporters who were leaning against him this year—particularly blue-collar Catholics.

The disenchanted were inundated with campaign propaganda that painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat who would be a worse president than Obama.  The success of this voter suppression strategy explains why Obama was the first re-elected president to receive fewer votes than in his first election.

As for the Catholic vote, utilizing currently available data (which is still not complete), I’ve compiled the following chart that compares votes cast by Catholics in the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections in a dozen or so states where exit polling was done and actually allows us to make such comparisons. (Though you will see exit polls reported on by various news outlets, basically all of them were conducted by Edison Media Research, which supplied the results broken down below.)

 
 
 
2008 Generic
Catholic Vote
2012 Generic
Catholic Vote
Catholic
Vote
 
State
% of Catholics
 
 McCain %
 
Obama %
 
Romney %
 
Obama %
Romney 2012 vs.
McCain 2008
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
AZ
23
49
49
50
50
+1
CA
28
37
58
38
62
+1
CT
48
50
46
49
51
-1
FL
28
49
50
52
47
+3
IA
23
41
50
52
47
+11
ME
26
37
61
41
56
+4
MI
29
46
51
55
44
+9
NV
25
42
57
46
51
+4
NH
38
50
50
54
46
+4
NJ
44
55
45
43
45
-1
NM
32
29
69
32
64
+3
NY
42
41
59
53
47
+12
NC
9
N/A
N/A
66
34
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OH
26
52
47
55
44
+3
PA
35
52
48
50
49
-2
VA
15
N/A
N/A
55
45
--
WI
32
47
53
56
44
+9
 

As is clear, in most state results there was a slight shift in the Catholic vote towards Mitt Romney, but quite a large movement to the Republican candidate in Iowa, Michigan, New York, and Wisconsin – all battleground states with the exception of New York. The worst change for Republicans was in Pennsylvania, which registered a 2 percent increase in Catholic votes for the Democrat incumbent, President Obama.

Nationwide, in 2008, Senator McCain received 45 percent of the generic Catholic vote, 52 percent of church-going Catholics, 53 percent of White Catholics, and 32 percent of Hispanics.  Governor Romney received 48 percent of the generic Catholic vote, 57 percent of Church attendees, 52 percent of cafeteria Catholics, 59 percent of white Catholics, and 27 percent of Hispanics.

While white Catholic support for the Republican nominee was higher than McCain’s in 2008, turnout was not enough in the battleground states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio to put them into the GOP Electoral College column.  On the other hand, the Hispanic vote increased by about 9 million over 2008 totals.  This helped put Obama over the top in the tightly contested states of Florida, Nevada, and Colorado.

In my next column for The Catholic Thing, I will try to provide a broader analysis of the impact of Catholic voter turnout in key swing states, which is a more complex phenomenon than has been recognized to date. For now, it’s worth noting the curious fact that most news outlets have not made much of an effort to dig into the Catholic results.  In several ways, Catholic voters were trending back a bit towards Catholic values, but how, why – and in many cases, why not – will occupy us in our next.


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: election; mccain; obama; romney
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1 posted on 11/19/2012 3:58:27 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Here again, some very interesting statistics.


2 posted on 11/19/2012 3:59:36 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Here again, some very interesting statistics.


3 posted on 11/19/2012 4:00:35 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

CINOs!!!!! A practicing Catholic cannot in good conscience vote for a democrat. The Democrat party is the party of abortion and gay sex.


4 posted on 11/19/2012 4:03:09 AM PST by mc5cents (trai)
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To: mc5cents

Not a single Believer of any denomonation could.


5 posted on 11/19/2012 4:10:53 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: NYer
Interesting. Where I live PA Catholics are pretty left wing (almost zero Hispanics, this is union country) Our priest campaigned for Obamacare from the pulpit and the pro-life group equates anti-death penalty with anti-abortion (yes, there are lots of busses to the March for Life every year). One reason we moved to this more conservative area because our former Diocese quoted Karl Marx in their explanations for tuition increases at Catholic schools. Things are getting better slowly but it will be a long time before conservative Catholics are as comfortable as leftist ones.

I take solace in that it appears nearly everywhere else is better.

6 posted on 11/19/2012 4:22:38 AM PST by Varda
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To: NYer

I can tell you with certainty that Iowa Catholics did not vote majority Romney. That calls into question all of the numbers cited.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 4:29:50 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Varda

The Mainstream Protestants are breaking apart, teaching contrary to Christ, and much of the rest of protestantism is isolated individuals, megachurch/Olsteen, “prosperity gospel,” Benny Hinn, etc. The Southern Baptist vote conservative, but aren’t exactly known for their high minority membership.

The Church remains whole and correct in Her teaching. We have work to do, but there is reason for hope.


8 posted on 11/19/2012 4:33:18 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: mc5cents

CINOs!!!!! A practicing Catholic cannot in good conscience vote for a democrat. The Democrat party is the party of abortion and gay sex.

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These people come to Church, They are not practicing Catholics.I don’t know why they come.

The Democrat party is their religion.


9 posted on 11/19/2012 4:38:10 AM PST by Venturer
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To: NYer

“Obama people may be awful at governing, but they excel at mobilizing turnout.”

If progressives were as skilled at governing as mobilizing turnout, things like Obamacare might be workable. Unfortunately, they are not and never will be. Worse still, they don’t recognize their ineptitude when it comes to governing. They are convinced that public opposition to Obamacare is grounded in public ignorance rather than public recognition that the government is unlikely to do a better job at running health care than it has done running the Post Office or Amtrak.


10 posted on 11/19/2012 4:45:31 AM PST by DrC
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To: NYer
GOP internal tracking polls that had Romney winning were wrong because pollsters could not factor into their mathematical formulas the effectiveness of Obama’s Election Day ground operation. Obama people may be awful at governing, but they excel at mobilizing turnout.
Leftist community organizers, often financed by our tax dollars, have been fine tuning their “get out the vote” techniques since the mid-1960s. And during the past four years, they went beyond identifying voting blocs by zip codes or neighborhoods. They actually compiled dossiers on millions of individuals who were sympathetic to their agenda and personalized messages designed to push their political hot buttons.
Obama’s Chicago gang focused on turning out pro-abortion single women, Latinos, African-Americans, and recipients of government welfare programs – and keeping home 2008 Obama supporters who were leaning against him this year—particularly blue-collar Catholics.
The disenchanted were inundated with campaign propaganda that painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat who would be a worse president than Obama. The success of this voter suppression strategy explains why Obama was the first re-elected president to receive fewer votes than in his first election

Looks like those polls showing Obama ahead were NOT oversampling Dem voters after all.

Romney didn't do this, targeting specific R leaning voters and getting them out by hitting their hot buttons, at least not effectively. Hell, he was winning big on tax cuts (and regulations) so why would he need to do this?

11 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:57 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: mc5cents; Donnafrflorida
A practicing Catholic cannot in good conscience vote for a democrat.

What about practicing protestants?

12 posted on 11/19/2012 5:22:17 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

From the Catholic perspective both McCain and Romney were horrible candidates: both were just barely prolife, never articulated their views on pro-life issues of the day,— abortion and the state pandering to the gays, — none spoke of their faith at all, and Romney was not even Christian. McCain supported the bailouts and Romney invented his own version of Obamacare. both were just barely right of center big business candidates with few connection points to the Catholic political culture.


13 posted on 11/19/2012 5:29:00 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: NYer

Until we address the organized fraud and gather the courage to fix it, in spite of the charges of “racism”, we can expect to lose.


14 posted on 11/19/2012 5:44:54 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Venturer
The Democrat party is their religion.

Very close to how I see it.......

1. Government is their god.

2. Liberalism is their religion.

3. The Democrat Party is their church.

4. Secularism and Socialism are their twin doctrines.

5. Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Obama are their prophets.

6. Abortion, homosexuality and class struggle are their sacraments.

15 posted on 11/19/2012 6:05:22 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: ScottinVA

Addendum to my previous: Not Catholics, but liberals.


16 posted on 11/19/2012 6:06:36 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: NYer

That looks a heck of a lot better than last time, exepting some places, which did worse...NJ,Pa, Ct what happened? Still NY, Pa, Ia, Fla, Oh, Mi, NH, Wis?!! WOW!

This national number of Obama winning with 50% of the vote is useless—we vote by state and the electoral college. How is the 50% number useful when you have splits between states like La and NM, where in La McCain got 70% of the Catholic vote and in NM Obama got 70% of the Catholic vote? The only thing I Can think of that is throwing everything off is Cali, huge number of Catholics in Cali must be affecting the % of Catholics without regard to the electoral college.

I am SHOCKED that NY Catholics went with Romney. Last time Obama got 60%. The only really big state that I am still curious about is Texas, that would be interesting.

Freegards, thanks for the awesome pings on FR


17 posted on 11/19/2012 6:12:14 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: NYer

See no clear conclusion from the posted data.

My observation over time is: those whose church operates by top down direction generally accept statist government without questioning and those who are bottom up generally resist a compulsive state.

FEW of my Baptist Bretheren vote Dem, those who do are operating from a perspective of the past not current government.


18 posted on 11/19/2012 6:16:51 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Donnafrflorida

You know the Mooslims wouldn’t.....


19 posted on 11/19/2012 6:24:17 AM PST by matginzac
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To: NYer

The Catholic Bishops in Pennsylvania chose to sit this one out IMHO. They delivered vague, mealy-mouthed incomprehensible instructions to the flock which were basically interpreted as “vote whichever way you were intending to anyway”.

They apparently chose not to antagonize Hispanics and union members, causing a drop in collection basket receipts. Plus we had so many lay ministers, choir directors, etc. driving around with Obama bumper stickers.


20 posted on 11/19/2012 6:35:52 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer
What about practicing protestants?

That's the black vote and there is no difference from them than those 'in the world'. And people don't practice faith - they live it.

21 posted on 11/19/2012 6:40:02 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Big difference. Hopefully Protestants can get to them.

8 out of 10 white Protestants voted for Romney...95% of black Protestants voted for Obama...

6 out of 10 White Catholics voted for Romney...75% of Mexican Catholics voted for Obama...


22 posted on 11/19/2012 6:56:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Varda

“pro-life group equates anti-death penalty with anti-abortion”

If they are Catholic than this is a required church teaching - opposition to abortion and the death penalty. Not sure what your point is here.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 6:59:49 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Ransomed

These are interesting stats and belie the lie that it is Catholics in general contributing to Obama’s victory. In all the states that mattered (50 percent plus 1), Catholics by and large would have defeated Obama.

Obama’s coalition is secularists and non-Christians and you protestants need to be going after them.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 7:02:19 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Not this layperson!


25 posted on 11/19/2012 7:03:32 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I am thinking that maybe no state that went ‘pub lost the Catholic vote. Of course if this is all the states that were exit polled for religion, we might not ever know. But if these are correct numbers(he says they are still not complete) it does indeeed look like Obama won a heck of a lot of states despite getting less than 50% of the general Catholic vote in them, which is the opposite of what the whole ‘50% win among Catholics’ would lead one to think. And of course that is what the media went with. The article says it best:

“For now, it’s worth noting the curious fact that most news outlets have not made much of an effort to dig into the Catholic results. In several ways, Catholic voters were trending back a bit towards Catholic values, but how, why – and in many cases, why not – will occupy us in our next.”

But if Catholics in Va voted R by 10 points, I have a hard time imagining places like Alabama or Kentucky losing the Catholic vote to Obama.

I still can’t get over Romney winning the Catholic vote in NY. That is flat-out shocking, amazing.

Freegards


26 posted on 11/19/2012 7:26:17 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Salvation

Like I said the blacks got his full support as did Notre Dame and Georgetown University. Face the facts don’t try to cover them.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 7:27:47 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Ransomed
I still can’t get over Romney winning the Catholic vote in NY. That is flat-out shocking, amazing.

Why? I'm sure atheists voted for Romney, also, as did Buddhists. Personally, I believe anyone who did vote for barry is anti-American and, also, clueless to that fact.

28 posted on 11/19/2012 7:36:52 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Because it is a huge very liberal state with a huge Catholic population that went for Obama by 60% last time. I thought that Obama would do worse with Catholics this time around, but I would have never thought he would lose NY Catholics, I thought there was just too much ground to be made up. I would have lost that bet.

“I’m sure atheists voted for Romney, also, as did Buddhists.”

You think that the nonreligious and Buddhists in NY state went for Romney? Everything I have seen would seem to say Obama would have won both fairly handily. Have you seen exit polling for them?

Freegards


29 posted on 11/19/2012 7:49:39 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

No. I don’t watch polls because they are propaganda to make you ‘expect’ the results we just saw.


30 posted on 11/19/2012 7:52:33 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: D-fendr; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; HossB86; wmfights; ...

“The rest of protestantism is isolated individuals, megachurch/Olsteen, “prosperity gospel,” Benny Hinn, etc. is an inaccurate, biased broad brush.

Time reported (2006) only 17% of all Christians identified with the prosperity gospel (which is not simply believing God will bless giving), while Pew found that 90% of evangelical leaders reject the so-called prosperity gospel, the notion that God will grant wealth and good health to those who have enough faith. (http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Christian/Evangelical_Protestant_Churches/Global%20Survey%20of%20Evan.%20Prot.%20Leaders.pdf)

In addition, 1200 Catholic churches are over 2000 in attendance, but being a megachurch (over 2000 in attendance) is not necessarily wrong, (Acts 2) and with large populations and transportation this is more likely, and often these hold services at multiple locations.

However, megachurches only make up one-half of 1 percent of all the religious congregations in the nation, while 26.3% of all churches are Evangelical Protestant, and 57% of megachurches were founded before 1961.

Of this 0.5% of megachurches, 56%-71 are Evangelical, with 16% being Southern Baptist, and 8 - 17% are Pentecostal. Finally, 25% belong to the “Charismatic Pastor-focused” group, superstar preachers which can be the more problematic.

In addition, the sections of the US with the highest percentage of megachurches mostly voted for Romney, the West coast excepting.

(http://hirr.hartsem.edu/megachurch/definition.html#catholic; http://www.christianpost.com/news/researchers-paint-latest-portrait-of-u-s-megachurches-27839/#7bEHYa8jCOKELo1X.99;
http://hirr.hartsem.edu/megachurch/faith_megachurches_FACTsummary.html#participants; http://hirr.hartsem.edu/megachurch/New-Decade-of-Megachurches-2011Profile.pdf)

As for being not being exactly known for their high minority membership, this is true, which is much in contrast to RC membership.

But evangelicals remain substantially more conservative than Catholics overall, (http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html) and while you can disown the cafeteria types which are the majority (and we can do the same), the fact is that Rome treats such as members in life and in death, and not just Ted Kennedy.


31 posted on 11/19/2012 8:19:42 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: JCBreckenridge

This has always been a misperception by Catholics and non-Catholics alike. Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about the death penalty:

“Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.” Catechism 2267

Most people who kill others had to make a conscience decision to take that life and therefore willingly commit mortal sin. That is why the Church will allow the death penalty under the circumstances mentioned above.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 8:40:42 AM PST by castowell (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: presently no screen name

There were Freepers advocating voting third party based on what the media said strangers told other strangers over the phone. That I am not down with—basing ones vote on opinion polling.

Obama winning Catholics with 50% of the vote is pretty misleading in my opinion, if these exit polls are correct. I doubt anyone hearing that would think that Obama actually lost the Catholic vote in many of these states that went dem.

Freegards


33 posted on 11/19/2012 9:01:39 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: ScottinVA

I think you have it down pat.


34 posted on 11/19/2012 9:11:18 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Ransomed

I agree. When the media says...I stop listening. They are in the propaganda business.


35 posted on 11/19/2012 9:13:22 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212

Good post as usual!


36 posted on 11/19/2012 9:19:51 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212
the prosperity gospel (which is not simply believing God will bless giving),

I'm try to understand what they are calling the prosperity gospel. It seems more of a slur to those who believe what God says, not sure. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Solomon didn't attain their wealth on their own - as we know it came from God. Joseph is another one and Naomi and Esther.

"But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." And those mentioned above did that.

GOD FIRST ALL THE TIME. His system is not like the world's. He is Our Source for everything - spiritual, physical, emotional and financial.

Money is needed to spread the gospel and bless others in need which we are called to do. It can leave one suspect who opposes prosperity.

37 posted on 11/19/2012 9:33:28 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

The difference is btwn a balance view which does not make poverty itself a virtue, or mean a lack of faith, nor supposes that gain is Godliness, but believes God to provide as we practice Mt. 6:33, and that faith will be tested, and that we can pray for wealth to be used for His glory, but to be content in either want or in plenty is a mark of maturity, and that sacrificial living is always a practice of the Christ-like.

Paradoxically, it is the typical so-called “faith teachers” that often display lack of faith by the time and energy they put into fund raising by selling the idea that gain is Godliness.


38 posted on 11/19/2012 10:45:20 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: castowell

When said offender is effectively incarcerated for life, where is the risk to other human lives?


39 posted on 11/19/2012 10:45:33 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Ransomed

“which is the opposite of what the whole ‘50% win among Catholics’ would lead one to think. And of course that is what the media went with.”

And it is what many here want you to believe as well. The greatest threat to them is the idea that maybe, just maybe, the Catholic church has it right. I am glad to see that it is starting to funnel down that the Catholic church isn’t the enemy - we are going to need all the prolife Catholics. All of them.


40 posted on 11/19/2012 10:49:42 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

The Church says that abortion is intrinsically evil; public execution of criminals is not. The Seamless garment crowd are just trying to obsfucate the radical . Blame this on the Bernardin Catholics. or the social jtsuce crowd, who also distort the teachings on the Church. They identify society and the state.


41 posted on 11/19/2012 11:15:50 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

If we could be sure he will be. It works rather well in Germany, which has no death penalty , but keeps murderers locked up. Here our rights-based legal system constantly works to get them out, and we have so many prisoners that the state less careful about letting them loose


42 posted on 11/19/2012 11:19:49 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

If we could be sure he will be. It works rather well in Germany, which has no death penalty , but keeps murderers locked up. Here our rights-based legal system constantly works to get them out, and we have so many prisoners that the state less careful about letting them loose


43 posted on 11/19/2012 11:20:01 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

Abortion = 1 million a year. Death penalty, single digits.

The issue isn’t the people who oppose abortion and oppose the death penalty. The issue are the people who support abortion.


44 posted on 11/19/2012 11:31:51 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: RobbyS

“If we could be sure he will be. It works rather well in Germany, which has no death penalty , but keeps murderers locked up. Here our rights-based legal system constantly works to get them out, and we have so many prisoners that the state less careful about letting them loose.”

I’d much prefer that tradeoff - no death penalty - no release. Life should mean life.


45 posted on 11/19/2012 11:33:27 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: NYer

Well, it looks like half the Catholics are “catholics”.

The aforementioned “catholics” being wild-eyed, baby-killing, packer/muncher socialists.

Bad news for the real Catholics.


46 posted on 11/19/2012 11:42:04 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: JCBreckenridge
"And it is what many here want you to believe as well."

So true. One thing for sure, one group makes up the largest percentage of finger pointers who obviously don't care nearly as much about turning the country around and bringing their American countrymen to Christ as they care about pointing fingers and sewing divisions among Christians.

That sort of behavior makes you wonder just how many of those constantly pointing fingers are flying a flag of convenience and don't actually believe any of what they claim to be a part of. Either they're just like the democrats they claim to oppose and put their politics ahead of their religion, or their religion is just a convenient excuse to spread divisions among people who are going to have to work together if we're ever going to turn the country around.

47 posted on 11/19/2012 11:52:46 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

It works in Germany because the Germans are not sentimental about criminals. People are sent to prison to punish them. They are at once treated better and not coddled. Our prisons are full of petty criminals because of the war on drugs, and somehow government officials don’t discriminate between the ax= murderer and the drug pusher.


48 posted on 11/19/2012 11:55:27 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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“petty criminals because of the war on drugs”

Ahh, I thought I sniffed a libertarian.

Criminals are criminals. Break the law, go to jail.


49 posted on 11/19/2012 11:57:23 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Some criminals are more dangerous than others. A murderer is more dangerous than a drug-pusher, unless, of course, the pusher heads a gang that does murder.


50 posted on 11/19/2012 12:40:03 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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