[mitch5501]

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[esopman]

Clive Staple Lewis responding to a student’s inquiry relative to the body-soul dichotomy: “You do not have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body”

Thank you for the post - may the Ruakh ha Kodesh bless you and yours this Christmas season!

[muawiyah]

Some Orthodox Jewish goups up the count to 11 different dimensions of existence. St. Paul can be found mentioning body, soul, spirit, mind, heart ~ sometimes all together, sometimes separately ~ and frequently for what appear to be different purposes.

Doing a quick review of the material on the net I was able to find both Catholic and Protestant discussions finding material for their respective ecclesiastical structures in the exact same statements by St. Paul.

This seems to be a very ancient sort of analysis ~ to find out what God created in man.

[wizr]

Thank you. May God bless and keep you and yours.

Merry CHRISTmas.

[HarleyD]

At the center of the natural man's the spirit is dark. It is totally blind to the things of God. ...they are not in communication with the Spirit of God. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1st Corinthians 2:14) The natural man can thrash about trying make a spiritual connection, but he is just thrashing about blindly....

Good point.

[JAKraig]

I’m sorry, but to me it isn’t nearly that complicated.

In Genesis Chapter 5 we learn all we need to about Who and What God is and Who and what man is to Him:

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

God/Adam
In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Adam/Seth
and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image;

We are like God just as Seth is like Adam. I don’t know how it could be more clear.

[Seven_0]

But we are in His likeness. His likeness is the third element -- the spirit. That is the component of man to which God was referring in the Garden when He said, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17) On that day, Adam's spirit 'died'.

I have two problems with this statement. How do you explain the sacrifice? God made them coats of skins. Doesn't a sacrifice allow something to die in Adam's place?

If Adam died spiritually in the garden that would be the first death. Nine hundred thirty years later when Adam died physically would have been the second death. You will note that the second death does not occur until the end of Revelation 20. Is the first death spiritual?

I Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

[Hoodat]

btw, the whole purpose of giving us the Christ is to bring us back to the Garden. God is not a micro-manager. He gave us dominion over the earth, which we promptly gave over to satan. God never took it back from us. When He gave it to us, it was forever. He didn't change His mind. So the purpose of Christ is for us to be restored to the place He intended for us to be and to re-establish the kingdom of heaven in us.

The original sin of Adam/Eve was independence from God. With Christ, we can come back into a perfectly aligned state of total right-standing with God again.

[Cvengr]

Best post in a long time.

Merry XMAS!