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Ohio Teacher Says She Was Fired Over Pregnancy, Files Suit Against Catholic Archdiocese
The Republic ^ | 10/30/12 | AP

Posted on 12/31/2012 10:32:41 AM PST by marshmallow

DAYTON, Ohio — An unmarried Catholic school teacher who said she was fired after telling her principal that she was pregnant is suing the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cincinnati.

It's the second lawsuit that's been filed in the last two years against archdiocese over the firing of a pregnant teacher.

Kathleen Quinlan, who taught first grade at Ascension Catholic School in Kettering in suburban Dayton, said she was told to resign or she would be fired, on the same day she told the school's principal in December 2011 that she was expecting. She said she had offered to take a behind-the-scenes job until she gave birth.

Quinlan, of Dayton, who later had twin girls, said in her lawsuit that she was given three days to clear out her classroom.

A termination letter said she was fired for violating a section of her employment contract that requires employees to "comply with and act consistently in accordance with the stated philosophy and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church," according to the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court .

Her attorney said that, "as a non-ministerial employee, (she) was not subject to a 'morality clause.'"

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1 posted on 12/31/2012 10:32:45 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Employment-at-will.

She knew the rules she was agreeing to when accepting employment, and she broke them.

Case closed.

2 posted on 12/31/2012 10:34:59 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: marshmallow

When I was in HS in the 60s, even a married woman couldn’t teach if she was pregnant.


3 posted on 12/31/2012 10:35:19 AM PST by Mercat (Adventures make you late for dinner. Bilbo Baggins)
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To: marshmallow

Misses the point that the problem was not being pregnant but the act that got her pregnant. Any bets that married pregnant teachers exist in the Catholic system?


4 posted on 12/31/2012 10:36:35 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: marshmallow
This is the church's business. This IS where the supposed separation of church and state does apply.

I have a cica 1830 church book...says folks were found dancing....and kicked out of the church...no questions asked.....OUT...

5 posted on 12/31/2012 10:38:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: marshmallow
This is the church's business. This IS where the supposed separation of church and state does apply.

I have a circa 1830 church book...says folks were found dancing....and kicked out of the church...no questions asked.....OUT...

6 posted on 12/31/2012 10:38:58 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: marshmallow

It wasn’t because she was pregnant, but because she wasn’t married and was pregnant. Hence the “morality clause.” That said, I think they should have put her on leave immediately and given her time either to rectify the situation by getting married, or to find another job.


7 posted on 12/31/2012 10:39:44 AM PST by livius
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To: marshmallow

My kids attended 12 yrs. of Catholic school. If any of their teachers had been pregnant outside of marriage, they would have been attending another school.


8 posted on 12/31/2012 10:40:24 AM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: marshmallow
“as a non-ministerial employee, (she) was not subject to a ‘morality clause.’”

Hor$eShit!, Typical ambulance chaser who doesn't know $hit about the law. She signed the contract with a morality clause. She was over the age of 18 and had a college degree and a state license. She should have enough mental capability to read a standard contract.

Regardless, she is an ‘AT WILL” employee. The School has every right to terminate a person who goes against the moral standards of an institution. It is no different that being involved in any other violation of the rules.

9 posted on 12/31/2012 10:40:34 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: marshmallow
She said she had offered to take a behind-the-scenes job until she gave birth.

Unclear On the Concept award for Miss Quinlan. Probably it's best if she chooses a profession other than teaching, lest the students end up equally incapable of using reason.

10 posted on 12/31/2012 10:42:21 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not crazy ... I'm just not you.)
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To: marshmallow

She broke the rules she agreed to when she took the job.

I’m a little hesitant about this, because she could have chosen to go off and have a secret abortion, pretending that she had the flu for a week or something. At least she chose to bring the twins to life, instead of killing them to keep her job.

But it’s their decision.


11 posted on 12/31/2012 10:44:12 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: livius

I don’t think giving her time to get hitched is a solution, as the problem isn’t being pregnant and not married, the problem is having engaged in consensual marital activity while not being married. Marrying after the fact doesn’t change the status of the activity—and often is only a way to further mess up one’s life.


12 posted on 12/31/2012 10:44:55 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: marshmallow

Does this mean that a married teacher that uses birth control can be fired also?


13 posted on 12/31/2012 10:49:13 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Hieronymus

regarding the right to fire the teacher, legally it depends on what was in the contract. Was moral behavior defined more precisely?

I am also guessing there may be more info that we are not privy to. I would hope that a young woman who made a mistake ( we all do) and decided to give birth and change her life would receive compassion and understanding. However if said young woman is “shacking up” and has no desire or intent on changing her behavior than she really has no place teaching in the catholic schools.


14 posted on 12/31/2012 10:50:41 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: marshmallow

At least she isn’t a nun.


15 posted on 12/31/2012 10:53:29 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: stuartcr

It should.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 10:53:43 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: stuartcr

Does this mean that a married teacher that uses birth control can be fired also?

If she is using it such a way that it becomes public knowledge she should be fired.


17 posted on 12/31/2012 10:55:19 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: marshmallow
teacher slut
18 posted on 12/31/2012 10:56:05 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Cicero
I’m a little hesitant about this, because she could have chosen to go off and have a secret abortion

One can see that kind of reasoning leading to a sort of moral blackmail: "Nobody is allowed to disapprove of or exact consequences for any sexual behavior ... because at least I didn't have an abortion." That's almost the default setting already for even the most irresponsible actions. "Don't judge me - I didn't have an abortion."

19 posted on 12/31/2012 10:56:36 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not crazy ... I'm just not you.)
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To: Mercat
Maybe it depends on where you were in the 60s. I had a Health teacher in the mid-50s who was pregnant most of the school year.

Boy did that keep us puberty ravaged boys interested in her subject matter.

20 posted on 12/31/2012 11:03:39 AM PST by Tupelo (I'm an old man and most people hate me, but I don't like them either so that makes it all even.)
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To: marshmallow

In this area Catholic school teachers are represented by a union. Will be interesting to see if that is the case here. Would be ironic if the Church’s embrace of organized labor and “social justice” came back to bite them in the arse.

In any event it will provide rich fodder for critics and the media to beat-up on the Church for being hypocritical on its Pro-Life stance.


21 posted on 12/31/2012 11:07:49 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Hieronymus

Life is full of people whose parents got married after the fact. Neither the child nor the parent should be punished for this. Nothing reverses time, and all one can do is correct the error. I read that a huge percentage - in fact, the majority - of girls in 17th century New England were pregnant when they got married, so the shotgun wedding was with us even before the shotgun itself.

Once upon a time, even children were punished for being illegitimate: there were certain professions they couldn’t go into, or at least not without a lot of paperwork and special treatment. This was clearly wrong and excessive, and it did nothing about e central fact. But there’s nothing that can change that, so the best thing is for the parents to repent, get married if possible, or otherwise try to work out their situation as best they can (if one of them is already married, for example). Fear of having their lives ruined and their children rejected was what used to determine women to have abortions once upon a time, and we don’t need to go back to that.

However, the young children this woman teaches don’t need to know that or worry about it. I agree that she should have been out of the classroom that day before the kids started to notice or ask questions, but there should have been more kindness shown her in offering to help her resolve her situation.

It mentions that she already has twins. Whose are they, I wonder. She may be somebody whose life is a mess, and perhaps kind treatment would give her a chance to get it together, since there are now four lives involved.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 11:10:36 AM PST by livius
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To: stuartcr
"Does this mean that a married teacher that uses birth control can be fired also?"

Yes, every married teacher is required to take along a Bishop for every Pap test and visit to their gynecologist. Next, all scripts before filling are subjected to a panel of Pastors before meds are received. Finally, if the married teacher decides to engage in coitus, a 24 hour notice is given so that a Priest could carefully inspect and watch the act to make certain no artificial device and/or condom is used.

Any other paradoxically questions that shows absurdity on your part?

BTW, if a Catholic teacher proudly exclaims her choice of birth control in from of her class, I would assume she would be out of a job the next day.

Also, the Primary does not like the way the secondary is handling things, if He did we would not need to face quietus.
23 posted on 12/31/2012 11:12:07 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Mercat
At one point, at least in some places, even a married woman who wasn't pregnant wouldn't be allowed to be a teacher.

I had a great-aunt who taught school after her husband died (not sure exactly when but maybe the 1920s or 1930s--she was born in 1881), but being a widow was different. Maybe the rule was there because of the belief that a married woman ought to be home keeping house.

24 posted on 12/31/2012 11:18:04 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: livius

I agree that it is quite common—I know of many cases both among my family and my ancestors. At the same time, it is worth asking in a given situation whether marriage will correct or compound the problem. Sometimes the answer is clear one way, sometimes it is clear the other, and sometimes it is unclear. Allowing a person to retain the job if they marry discourages the asking of this important question, and may encourage them to act against what is best.

In fact, all other things being equal, children are at a disadvantage when illegitimate, but a shotgun marriage is not always the answer. Adoption is sometimes a very good option.


25 posted on 12/31/2012 11:22:02 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: livius

The twins were born from the pregnancy that cost her her job. If she had applied for the job while single and had told them that she had a couple of kids at home, I doubt that she would have been hired.


26 posted on 12/31/2012 11:22:46 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: stuartcr
They most certainly could, if they broadcast the fact that they engage in immoral behavior.

Make no mistake, the use of birth control is a MORTAL sin in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church. It is often an abortifacient preventing a fertilized egg from implanting.

The Church is very open and willing to discuss all these matters. They have both moral and scientific facts on their side. Unlike the greater society they are unable to be swayed by moral relativism.

27 posted on 12/31/2012 11:23:43 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Mercat

When In was in elementary school my first grade teacher got MARRIED and had to retire. And i went to a PUBLIC school

Times have changed a lot


28 posted on 12/31/2012 11:26:18 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Where are you that Catholic School Teachers have a union?
29 posted on 12/31/2012 11:26:57 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Mercat

” When I was in HS in the 60s, even a married woman couldn’t teach if she was pregnant.”

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I once worked in a law office with an older woman. Her husband couldn’t work because of a chronic illness; so she had to be the sole breadwinner for herself, husband and their two small children. But at that time, even a married woman without children, had difficulty finding a full time job. During interviews, it was customary to ask whether the applicant intended to start a family or add to her family anytime soon. The reasoning was that the employer was investing a lot of money into the employee. The employer did not want to waste time and money on a new employee if she was going to get pregnant and possibly quit the workforce.


30 posted on 12/31/2012 11:32:17 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: livius
Reread the story. The Diocese is already in a legal dispute with another woman who was fired when she was pregnant with twins. That woman has had twin daughters and is pursuing a lawsuit over her termination. This woman was only recently released from service and is presumably still pregnant.

This case goes to the heart of the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Can a Church or any employer with a deep moral compass be compelled to act against their own moral teachings and feelings in order to be involved in ANY type of Secular activity? If they can be compelled in such a manner, is there a First Amendment at all?

31 posted on 12/31/2012 11:35:19 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: livius

I don’t think it’s true that a majority of brides were pregnant in 17th c. New England. The Puritans kept good records, and in researching my grandfather’s line (almost all Great Migration, 1630s through 1650s) I didn’t find any early first births, and only one obvious case of illegitimacy - four babies born to the Widow Trask.


32 posted on 12/31/2012 11:37:07 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Cicero

I agree. If they want the sinless to be teachers, there will be a scarcity of application.

Perhaps her first conversation should have been with the archbishop in the confessional. She should have waited and talked to the principal after the penance was completed.


33 posted on 12/31/2012 11:38:29 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: stuartcr
Does this mean that a married teacher that uses birth control can be fired also?

Is she openly talking about it?

34 posted on 12/31/2012 11:38:51 AM PST by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: Tupelo

I was in a Catholic HS in Kansas


35 posted on 12/31/2012 11:38:58 AM PST by Mercat (Adventures make you late for dinner. Bilbo Baggins)
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To: marshmallow

If the slut was too ignorant to read her contract why was she teaching anyways?


36 posted on 12/31/2012 11:39:03 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: marshmallow

Kim Kardashian just announced the wonderful news that she’s reproducing with Kanye West. Does this mean she can’t get the job?


37 posted on 12/31/2012 11:44:38 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Where are you that Catholic School Teachers have a union?

Pittsburgh. http://www.fpdt.net/


38 posted on 12/31/2012 11:47:41 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rollo tomasi
Yes, every married teacher is required to take along a Bishop for every Pap test and visit to their gynecologist. Next, all scripts before filling are subjected to a panel of Pastors before meds are received. Finally, if the married teacher decides to engage in coitus, a 24 hour notice is given so that a Priest could carefully inspect and watch the act to make certain no artificial device and/or condom is used.

And all of that was the work of Mitt Romney...


39 posted on 12/31/2012 11:50:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cicero
I generally agree with you....but this time, in my humble opinion, your thinking is a bit convoluted.

In fact, it's a hair's breath from a liberal's response who wants to play devil's advocate with a conservative.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

(& I'm as pro-life as they come)

40 posted on 12/31/2012 11:52:36 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: stuartcr

I wonder if she got pregnant using artificial insemination if she would be fired? IVF? What if she had aborted the twins?


41 posted on 12/31/2012 12:11:59 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: stuartcr
In the case of practicing contraceptive sex --- if they advertise the fact, sure, they could be fired. E.g. sign a newspaper ad, talk about it in class, wear the Margaret Sanger Planned Barrenhood T-shirt. Then it becomes a "manifest," public issue.

However, no employer, not ever the Church, is going to keep their employees under surveillance to find out what they are doing in the privacy of their own home.

42 posted on 12/31/2012 12:15:55 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, May the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: Tupelo
I had a Health teacher in the mid-50s who was pregnant most of the school year.

That does happen but it's not typical. Most women in their mid-50s have already gone through menopause.

43 posted on 12/31/2012 12:17:34 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: ladyjane
"I wonder if she got pregnant using artificial insemination if she would be fired? IVF? What if she had aborted the twins?"

If any of those things became public, and thus a "manifest" violation, yes, acording to the contract she signed, she could have --- and in my view, should have --- been fired..

44 posted on 12/31/2012 12:26:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Then I must say, those mormans are hardcore sons of guns!
45 posted on 12/31/2012 12:51:50 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Although one might ask: Is education a “secular” activity.”? I mean the state did not create any part of a single human being.


46 posted on 12/31/2012 1:30:21 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Reread the story.

Indeed you should.

47 posted on 12/31/2012 1:38:06 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Indeed, you are correct. and yes I hate admitting that fact.

The other woman was fired for having a child via invitro fertilization.

48 posted on 12/31/2012 2:47:38 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: freedomfiter2

You mean if it doesn’t work and she gets pregnant?


49 posted on 12/31/2012 3:47:02 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: reg45

nice

Happy New Year


50 posted on 12/31/2012 3:48:31 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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