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There’s considerably more scripture that supports Christ only coming back once, not a first secret time, than there is a pretrib visit that no one knows about.

So there's all this Scripture yet you can't ever produce any of it. Does that appear to be the least bit odd to you?

Did God lie to the world when He said the following?

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive ]and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)

spacejunkie, did God lie or did He tell the truth in that Scripture?

Did God lie to the world when He wrote this:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. (Revelation 19:11-19)

Did God tell the truth or was He lying when He wrote that Scripture?

Now can you explain to me how a meeting in the air where Jesus never comes to earth is the same as Jesus Christ physically coming to earth? Is there some secret law of physics that only you and other post-Trib mythology disciples know? How, exactly, is a meeting in the air the same as a literal, physical coming of Christ to earth? Can you give me the verse in Revelation 19-20 that tells us that anyone will be raptured at the time Jesus returns to earth?

Saints are people OR angels GN.

But my Bible says that the saints are born-again believers in Christ.

"Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). (Philippians 4:21). “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, Scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…”. The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

In Revelation, the word "saints" as used to describe the Church who will return to earth with Jesus Christ at His second coming to earth is explained by God:

Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” 8 It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (Revelation 19:7,8)

So we see that there has been a marriage in Heaven, and Jesus returns to earth with His bride and we know from the Scripture above that the fine linen worn by the bride is the "righteous acts of the saints". Can you produce the Scripture where God says that angels are the "bride" of Christ and will be married to Him?

When we meet him in the clouds, we return with him

But according to God, the bride has already been married to her Groom in Heaven.

According to Revelation 19:7, the bride (which is made up of the corporate and collected members throughout the church age taken to heaven at the rapture), makes herself ready for an impending event. How is the bride or the church made ready? She is made ready by clothing "herself in the fine linen bright and clean," which is said to be "the righteous acts of the saints." This statement means that by this point in history (right before the second coming), the sum total of the bride, the body of Christ, is in heaven and has already gone through the bema judgment where church age believers are to be evaluated for their faithfulness to Christ during this present age (Rom. 14:10; 2 Cor. 5:10). The result of going through the judgment seat of Christ results in the bride being given fine linen that Revelation 19:8 says, "is the righteous acts of the saints." This is how "His bride has made herself ready." Ready for what? She has made herself ready for the marriage of the Lamb. Arnold Fruchtenbaum further explains as follows:

The wedding announcement will be made (v. 6) and the Bride will finally be made ready (v. 7). The reason the Bride will now be fully ready for the marriage ceremony is because she will have her entire bridal gown on (v. 8). . . . this also show that the marriage ceremony takes place after the Judgment Seat of the Messiah, when the saints are rewarded for their deeds on earth (1 Cor. 3:10- 15). . . . This corresponds to the ritual cleansing of the Jewish wedding system. The ones present at the marriage ceremony are the " few," that is, only those in Heaven at that time.[1]

Later, Revelation 19:14 says, "And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses." Thus, having been newly married to the Lamb, the bride begins her role in history of reigning at the right hand of Christ (Rev. 3:21) by accompanying her new husband in the heavenly accent from heaven on white horses in order to participate in the judgment of Armageddon at the second advent.

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb

According to Jesus Christ, His bride will already be married to Him and will come with Him from Heaven back to earth.

Where is the Scripture where Jesus says that His bride will go up to meet Him in the air at His second coming?

There is no supporting scripture that Christ makes a secret visit 7 years before the REAL visit. We all may have different views on this but your personal attacks about those of us that only believe the real scripture and don’t read between the lines, is over the top.

Personal attacks? Where? When? And what "real" Scripture? Would that be the "real" Scripture you've posted in invisible ink because nobody has ever seen it? And the "personal attacks" are because I have more than accurately called post-Trib mythology a doctrine of demons? Where is any Scripture you or any other post-Trib mythology disciple has provided to prove your case? Not once has any of you ever posted one verse of what God said that validates your belief. Post-Tribulation Rapture mythology has absolutely no support in Scripture anywhere, it directly contradicts what God has made clear is going to happen, and therefore it is a doctrine of demons.

Now if you choose to continue to believe something that you know to be contrary to, and a denial of, the Bible, that's your funeral. But don't try to claim that your false, demonic doctrine is of God. Don't insult everyone's intelligence and don't dig a deeper hole for yourself than you already have.