All you are is a debater, GN, you care not a whit for the real truth about this issue. As a debater you must never admit to any possibility that you could be wrong, you must defend your position at all costs. Such tactics won’t work on such a thread as this, FReepers are not dumb.
Most really want to know what is ahead of them, are they going to have to face the antichrist or not? No small issue. It affects virtually every part of their lives, and their children and loved ones. They care not a whit about your kind of bluster, blather, and intimidation – standard fare for debaters – I’m sure they must see right through that kind of stuff, they really want to know the truth about this.
Now, your objections to the contrary, I have answered your points. No, not in the way you want me to. I guess you expect me to get in there and wrangle with you every point you make in your long posts. I could, but I see no need to do that, I just put ‘em in one bundle and dispense with the lot of them.
As one writer put it, “In disputed questions of interpretation, the simpler view is to be preferred; the burden of proof rest upon the more elaborate explanation. Pretribulationism is the more elaborate view in that without explicit scriptural statements it divides the second coming and the resurrection of the saints into two phases. There is no need that that all the details of the rapture have to be restated in every mention of the event.”
As a debater, you won’t accept this, of course, but these distinctions of yours between the two “phases of the 2nd coming” (your words), all they are are simply descriptions of the same event. Every detail doesn’t have to be restated every time the rapture is mentioned.
You want a scripture from me, I close with this one, Titus 2:13
“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ.”
It is the end of the tribulation when he comes “in power and great glory,” Matt. 24:30. An open public display of his power and glory. This alleged secret coming and rapture of yours can hardly be what is described in Titus 2:13. The post-trib glorious appearing is my hope…and yours, our only hope.
Is the following true or false:
upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. (Matthew 16:18)
Jesus said that, sasportas. Is it true or false? Now if there's no response like there hasn't been the last two times I asked you that, I'll take that as a no, it's not true because if you believe that those words of Jesus are true, you'll respond immediately.
It's a simple, yes or no question, although it does require the you to have the courage to either be honest to your false doctrine and not respond or not be honest to your false doctrine and admit that what Jesus said there is true.
Is what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 16:18, which is posted for you above, true or is it false?