Posted on 01/15/2013 11:10:24 PM PST by Morgana
I’ve said in on other threads today- but I’ll say it here too- there’s a very powerful delusion sweeping across thsi nation (and world really), and i’m beginnign to wonder if this is the time that God talked abotu in His word when He said that He would send strong delusions so that the people beleive the lies they are told
Standign back fro mthe fray- and just watchign everythign goign down so rapidly, you have to wonder how we coudl go from such a strong moral nation to an imoral one in a mattyer of a few short years, and watchign all the icnredible assaults on our constitutional rights, you have to wonder how people can fall for the lies- it should be so obvious to them that they vow to take a stand agaisnt the blatant lies, but the people are loving hte lies- and hte left is revelling i nthe fact that the peopel have fallen or these lies-
You really have to wonder if This isn’t the ‘powerful strong delusions the bible speaks of in the end times
God ain’t allowed in publik skools no more.
Quite frankly, I don’t think he’s allowed in the churches.
The God of the bible isn’t allowed in churches today, but the golden calf sure is
Christianity in ANY flavor is based on the Old Testament as well as the New. Christ said he came to fulfill the scriptures, not destroy them. And the God of Israel made very clear what he thought of Sodomites and other perverts.
And sexual perversions like homosexuality are totally incompatible with Christianity or orthodox Judaism.
Absolutely.
Consider the lament of Juvenal, who lived circa 100 AD, but was evidently unaware of the budding religion of Christianity:
O father of our city, whence came such wickedness among thy Latin shepherds? How did such a lust possess thy grandchildren, O Gradivus?
He was “conservative”, and his views are largely discounted on this basis in our day ( well ... he was anti-gay ! ). He further opined, after describing a privately performed “gay marriage”, that “If we live long enough, we shall see these things done openly.” Of course, he was assuming a continuous evolution of Roman culture. Little could he have imagined that this would come true 2000 years in the future.
I’m just waiting for his Satires to be banned and supressed.
Even in all its degeneracy, the Roman Empire did not condone homosexual "marriages".
We are indeed in deep trouble.
“The arguments are the usual ones the sin of Sodom was rape, inhumanity, and breaking the laws of hospitality and not principally about homosexuality. The proscriptions about homosexual relations in Leviticus 18 and 20 applied to idolatry and male prostitution and not loving, committed, faithful, exclusive same-sex relationships. Jesus said nothing about the issue and much of what Paul says in 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians is cultural or confusing and hangs on the definitions of disputed Greek words. In Romans 1 Paul saw homosexual activity, alongside all the idolatry of the Greco-Roman world. It was not born out of love, or orientation, but out of pagan practices, greed, lust and abuse of power.”
I’ve seen some so-called evangelicals argue that the Old Testament (and New Testament) commandments against the (heterosexual) use of prostitutes were “cultural” and that the prostitutes (I’ve seen this in some translations) were “cult prostitutes” and were a product of their era like a bug trapped in amber, therefore (it was implied but not stated openly) modern use of prostitutes was wink-wink not as bad if not OK. This is part of that same slippery slope.
As I said in another thread, our mistake was sitting back and letting the ECUSA, ELCA, PCUSA get ensnared -- we thought it wouldn't affect us, but now the media goes "oh, they accept homosexuality, why don't you?"
Those totally ignore so-called, non-SBC Baptists, so-called Methodists, so-called Lutherans, so-called Independents, so-called Presbyterians, and a ton of others who claim to be Christian and who preach, "go along to get along", but who attack Catholics for speaking against queers and communists are a transparent lot.
They're either committed fifth-columnists or they've swallowed the same lies Rev. Wright preached to King Barry for two decades. They attack the same people King Barry attacks so they're a part of Barry's band of fascists no matter what they say to the contrary. They're dedicated to spreading divisions among Christians to fragment Christian resistance to the totalitarian anti-Constitution agenda the same way RINOs work to divide fiscal conservatives and social conservatives.
Liberal Christians = those Christians who bend God's laws
Christians who bend God's laws are no longer Christians
So....there is no such thing. I'm tired of having the "loving and tolerant" thing beating me over the head. I'm not a loving and tolerant Christian, I'm a PO'd Christian. And I believe Christ himself would be a little PO'd at what is going on now. Money changers are nothing compared to he would encounter in the "temple" today. If he was angry then, He would be furious now! I don't picture a loving and tolerant Christ today, I picture a furious Christ.
“With the government set to debate gay marriage...”
If you agree that there can be a ‘debate’ about gay marriage, I think you are ceding the point that the state has the power to create something called ‘gay marriage’ if it wanted to. This is an indication that many have been conditioned to think that marriage comes from and is defined by the state.
The definition of marriage the state uses to recognize the institution is whatever judges, pols, or 51% of the voting public think it can be at any one time. That’s it, that’s all it will ever be in the modern era. It was always a danger that it woud depart from the actual definition, indeed some faiths will never accept remarriage after civil divorce, while the state has already done so for many, many years.
‘Now, since the family and human society at large spring from marriage, these men will on no account allow matrimony to be the subject of the jurisdiction of the Church. Nay, they endeavor to deprive it of all holiness, and so bring it within the contracted sphere of those rights which, having been instituted by man, are ruled and administered by the civil jurisprudence of the community. Wherefore it necessarily follows that they attribute all power over marriage to civil rulers, and allow none whatever to the Church; and, when the Church exercises any such power, they think that she acts either by favor of the civil authority or to its injury. Now is the time, they say, for the heads of the State to vindicate their rights unflinchingly, and to do their best to settle all that relates to marriage according as to them seems good.’
—Pope Leo XIII, 1880
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I blame the Lutheran theologians and seminary professors of the 1960's and 1970's for planting the seed of "Gospel reductionismm", meaning that all Scripture is to be filtered through the lens of the Gospel.
That was fine until they and others began preaching "another gospel"--this "FULL INCLUSION" evil.
A true Evangelical will NOT except what is NOT in the BIBLE.
Assembly of God Evangelical CHRISTian!
Really? What about Matthew 19:4-5 (emphasis added)? And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh? Does he call this "nothing"?
Also known as the “Emergent Church Movement” heresy.
To me it's clear that it's a wider problem affecting every single one of us.
I as a Catholic cannot just say it is a Lutheran/Anglican/whatever problem
Even Baptists shouldn't do that -- we are all affected
Each time the ECUSA wins against a traditional anglican parish, it's one more "hit" by the leftists against us all.
it’s not a heresy. It’s not aiming to reinterpret a standard doctrine. What this is doing is negating a central belief — pretty core if you think that this is asking us to celebrate sin.
The argument is that He doesn’t explicitly say “its not good” — I’ve been arguing with libs on Huffingtonpost and first they will say “Jesus didn’t condemn it”, and when you point out +Paul and the OT, they will say “that is man made tradition, Jesus came to promote just love, not the law”
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