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Is the Bible embarrassing?
NunBlog ^ | Sr Anne Flanagan

Posted on 01/23/2013 7:24:58 PM PST by Morgana

No kidding: there are parts of the Bible that most of us would be ashamed to read out loud, never mind post in our blogs. (A certain passage from Ezekiel comes to mind. There's a reason the lectionary has an optional abridged version!) Are we guilty of Cafeteria Catholicism by not focusing on these texts, or making them foundational for theology and spirituality? Is that a kind of bowdlerization of the word of God? Are we presuming to "edit" the Bible and only highlight the nice, agreeable parts? What gives?

The fact is, there are some ways in which the Bible is like a family album. The pictures in the album tell you a lot about where the family came from, or the challenges it faced. Some of the pictures celebrate momentous events: the weddings, the baptisms, the graduations.

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1 posted on 01/23/2013 7:25:10 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

hum? Maybe the Catholic Bible is different than the King James Bible, because there is nothing in the KJB that I would be embarrassed to read out loud.


2 posted on 01/23/2013 7:28:14 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Morgana

Do you mean Leviticus Chapter 20 verse 13?


3 posted on 01/23/2013 7:32:39 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: svcw

Ezekiel 16 would be a tough read to a table full of 10 year-olds.


4 posted on 01/23/2013 7:38:36 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: svcw

The Song of Solomon is pretty racy.


5 posted on 01/23/2013 7:39:01 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Chode; narses; Salvation; NYer

Is this week open season on Catholics? I mean it. I was recently banned from a so called christian dating site after they were Catholic bashing me and I kinda lost my temper. I reported the bashers but that site is ran by protestants so you know I don’t stand a chance in ____. I no sooner post this and our bible is bashed by some other jerk.


6 posted on 01/23/2013 7:39:14 PM PST by Morgana
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To: svcw

KJ, NKJ, RSV, NIV, I’m not embarrassed by any of them. The Bible is often very contextual, and that can cause some consternation on the part of some, but I’m not sure why the embarrassment.


7 posted on 01/23/2013 7:40:17 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Timber Rattler

Yes, but not embarrassing....


8 posted on 01/23/2013 7:42:18 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Morgana; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...
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9 posted on 01/23/2013 7:44:11 PM PST by narses
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10 posted on 01/23/2013 7:44:38 PM PST by narses
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To: Morgana; Salvation

Before everyone piles on the jokes, this could be the Next Gen version of “Erasmus and the Binding of the Will.”

I have been looking for that extremely erudite thread but seemed to have lost it. I provided a few modest posts to that thread but would love to reclaim it.

Let me stake out my territory here: I may not be a Catholic anymore but Catholicism has and should never be “cafeteria style.” If you want to broadly interpret the Bible to meet your individual circumstance — have at it. You just aren’t a Catholic: you are a Protestant.

Admit it, leave the Church and move along. Take Birth Control? You’re a Protestant. Lust in your heart? Lutheran (OK, that’s a joke).

You get the point.

I have always believed that Catholics BELIEVE in an IMMUTABLE set of standards. It doesn’t mean you are a bad person for not hewing (I left).

But if you believe that Catholicism is the Church upon which Peter founded Jesus’ church, you don’t get to pick and choose. And that includes Papal Infallibly.

The Bible will never be embarrassing — it is uplifting. The choices we make may very well decide the choices God makes when we pass on.

Salvation: I lost track of the other RCC folk but I am sure you have some great input on this important topic.


11 posted on 01/23/2013 7:45:10 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Morgana

I was presenting the story of the the patriarch Joseph in a chapter by chapter Bible Study Blog. Suddenly, in the middle of the edifying Story of Joseph, there was a totally weird story about Judah and Tamar. I was embarrassed by the story and skipped over it to continue with the Joseph Story.

Later, when I hosted a series on the Book of Ruth, the story of Tamar was referenced. She is also mentioned in Matthew’s genealogy of Jesus. Ruth is also mentioned in the Matthew genealogy, and she was a descendant of Moab, who was born of a disgusting, incestuous liaison between Lot and his two daughters.

So, as embarrassing as these two stories were upon a first reading, further reflection and study indicates that these stories are essential to the history of the Amazing Redemptive Power of the Grace of God.

And it is a further Confirmation of the Divine inspiration of the Bible, as a People who were writing a history of themselves from their own perspective would not have included these incidents. (they are just TOO “Embarrassing!)

Just my humble opinion from a personal experience! Next time I do a study on Joseph, I will not leave Tamar out of the narrative.

I should not have left her out the first time! :-)


12 posted on 01/23/2013 7:46:48 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: narses

Narses, back-ping to http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2981273/posts?page=11#11

I hope I am making sense there.

Like I said, I sort of lost track of the RCC group here at FR.


13 posted on 01/23/2013 7:47:26 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Morgana
“...there are parts of the Bible that most of us would be ashamed to read out loud, never mind post in our blogs.”

Each of us interprets the Bible based on our own knowledge and experiences. There isn't a part of the Bible that is embarrassing to me and certainly none I would be ashamed to read out loud. Perhaps your knowledge and life experiences are different than mine.

14 posted on 01/23/2013 7:49:58 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: freedumb2003

Good post, I agree.


15 posted on 01/23/2013 7:52:40 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Morgana

Embarassing? No. Never.

Occasionally PG-13, you might say that, particularly if you understand the meaning of what you’re reading.

It’s a part of life and is therfore dealt with, sometimes in a very matter-of-fact way, sometimes quite beautifully and poetically.


16 posted on 01/23/2013 7:56:42 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Morgana
“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

~ Saul Alinsky, "Rules for Radicals".

17 posted on 01/23/2013 8:02:24 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Timber Rattler

It’s a love poem.


18 posted on 01/23/2013 8:07:16 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Morgana

I have to disagree with the use of the word “embarrassing.” There is nothing embarrassing in the Bible.

Some passages are more significant than others. Some passages are more in need of interpretation. Some of the Hebrew laws, such as dietary laws, are no longer applicable to Christians (as discussed by the Apostles in the Book of Acts), but still are of interest.

But I can’t think of any embarrassing passages. Yes, passages that need to be explained and understood—but not innately embarrassing.


19 posted on 01/23/2013 8:08:38 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: muir_redwoods

My nine year old had been flipping through an art book and was asking about the story of Susanna tonight at dinner in front of her four younger siblings—PG 13 is about right on the whole, though perhaps the last few chapters of Judges and some other bits rate R. Dismembering one’s concubine’s corpse after allowing her to be gang raped to death isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. I wouldn’t censure it, and it does provide a valuable theological lesson, but I don’t want my kids hearing about it fron the pulpit.


20 posted on 01/23/2013 8:08:38 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Morgana
this too shall pass my child...
21 posted on 01/23/2013 8:11:53 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana

Were the Bible not divine, it would be about the perfection of humanity.


22 posted on 01/23/2013 8:15:25 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Morgana

Hmm, if one is embarrassed by the Bible, from where is the embarrassment coming? Does the Word of God teach a set of moral principles that lead to embarrassment as a proper reaction to parts of that same Word? That’s a contradiction that cannot stand. So, from where does this embarrassment come? Or is that even the right term for it? Maybe the question is simply one of context. Maybe the whoredoms and such in Ezekiel 16, for example, aren’t quite right for the 1st grade Sunday School class, but are perfectly appropriate and necessary for adults to study. Not everything is “for the children”.


23 posted on 01/23/2013 8:17:18 PM PST by cdcdawg
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To: Morgana

Why get so hung up on the Word when we were given the Son?


24 posted on 01/23/2013 8:23:31 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Cicero

Song of Solomon chapter 8

8 Our sister is little and she has no breasts as yet. What shall we do for our sister when her courtship begins?

9 If she is a wall, we will build upon it a silver parapet; If she is a door, we will reinforce it with a cedar plank.

10 I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. So now in his eyes I have become one to be welcomed.

That is just three verses. I could see parents too embarresed to read it to children. Seriously how often do people even read the Song of Solomon. They (men) love the wives submit to your husbands verse but this whole book I think is hardly ever read.


25 posted on 01/23/2013 8:23:52 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

The only thing embarrassing about reading the Bible is when it convicts us of the sin in our lives.

The Bible is the Word. The Word is God. We are actually carrying on a conversation with Jesus as we read the Bible.


26 posted on 01/23/2013 8:26:30 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: cdcdawg

I think the stuff not “for children” is what Sister is speaking of. Don’t you think that some of this stuff that is not “for children” is embarrasing to some prudish adults?


27 posted on 01/23/2013 8:27:43 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Numbers 31 ?


28 posted on 01/23/2013 8:33:19 PM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: left that other site
I know that verse about Tamar!! People are misunderstanding you and Sister don't find the Bible embarrassing you just are embarrassed to read certain verses. It is very hard to look people with a strait face and read some of the things that went on in the Bible while in Church.
29 posted on 01/23/2013 8:40:27 PM PST by Morgana
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To: RegulatorCountry

How can something that is inspired by the Holy Spirit be embarrasing?


30 posted on 01/23/2013 8:44:48 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DangerZone

Numbers 31

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3 Slay, therefore, every male child and every woman who has had intercourse with a man.
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But you may spare and keep for yourselves all girls who had no intercourse with a man.

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So Moses and the priest Eleazar did this, as the LORD had commanded Moses.
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This booty, what was left of the loot which the soldiers had taken, amounted to six hundred and seventy-five thousand sheep,
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seventy-two thousand oxen,
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sixty-one thousand asses,
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and thirty-two thousand girls who were still virgins.

would those be the verses?


31 posted on 01/23/2013 8:45:07 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Salvation

Oh please! Any bible verse talking about sex! Some people are so prudish even in today’s porn ridden society. In fact I will do one better. They can look at porn all the live long day but a Bible verse talking about getting it on hot and heavy like in the Song of Solomon and they just totally lose it.


32 posted on 01/23/2013 8:48:19 PM PST by Morgana
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To: svcw

I even used Song of Songs in my wedding.


33 posted on 01/23/2013 8:52:04 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Marcella

I get embarrassed at parts of the 10 commandments.....


34 posted on 01/23/2013 8:54:32 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Hieronymus

I went to an Orthodox Jewish Yeshivah from grades 1-12, and we studied the Hebrew Bible (”Old Testament” to you) in the original Hebrew. We started the book of Genesis in third grade, and every once in a while the teacher said that we would skip a chapter because “the Hebrew is too hard.” They were the parts you wouldn’t want to teach third graders— Lot and his daughters, Judah and Tamar, a few others. By the sixth or seventh grade, they stopped leaving parts out (I think we were in sixth grade when we got to David and Bathsheba, and we didn’t skip that.)


35 posted on 01/23/2013 9:02:33 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Cicero

>>Some passages are more significant than others. Some passages are more in need of interpretation. <<

May I suggest the passages are in need of understanding? Yes some of the Old Testament needs to be framed in a modern context.

But The New Testament? Jesus’ words and the (admittedly much later) words of His Disciples are clear in all languages.

How sad it is that the Son of God gave us such clear directives and it has taken thousands of years and millions (billions?) of people to work to the end of “getting it.”


36 posted on 01/23/2013 9:07:05 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Bronzy

>>Do you mean Leviticus Chapter 20 verse 13?<<

“Thou shalt have no obamas.”

Clearly the lesson is overlooked... ;)

(a moment of levity in a serious thread)


37 posted on 01/23/2013 9:09:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: donmeaker

>>I even used Song of Songs in my wedding<<

For a second there I read “Song of Solomon.”

Your plan was better :)


38 posted on 01/23/2013 9:14:25 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: muir_redwoods

You should be delighted to read that the Lord God loved a sinful nation so much that he provided both spiritual and physical resources to the people. The whole chapter is a metaphor of The Lord calling out to the people to turn from their sin and sinfulness. And, of course, you would want to discuss the meaning with the children.


39 posted on 01/23/2013 9:16:42 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Morgana

Nothing in my Bible that I’m am embarrassed about or would not read out loud.


40 posted on 01/23/2013 11:06:43 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: righttackle44

Yeah, sure


41 posted on 01/24/2013 2:58:49 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Morgana

There is nothing in the word of God that I would be embarrassed to read aloud or to talk about. That statement does not at all reflect my feelings.


42 posted on 01/24/2013 4:38:04 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Morgana

Indeed.

While some stories in the Bible seem isolated and unrelated to the rest of the narrative, they are very important to the overall REDEMPTIVE History and intent of Scripture.

We are appalled by King David’s adultery with Bathsheba (who probably didn’t have much say in it...he was the KING, for crying out loud!), and his subsequent cover-up which included sending her husband Uriah on a Suicide Mission to get rid of him. God dealt with David immediately on this issue.

Yet, Bathsheba’s 2nd child by David was the Incredible King Solomon. And Bathsheba is one of only FOUR Women mentioned in Matthew’s Genealogy of Jesus. Here are the four:

Tamar (Sneaky seducer of her father-in-law)
Rahab (a “professional”)
Ruth (Foreign Widow. Gentile bride)
Bathsheba (Adulteress, Victim of Sexual politics, accessory to murder and subsequent cover-up)

And by the way, women were almost never mentioned in genealogies, so God must have thought that these four ladies were important to the story!

His GRACE is AMAZING! :-)


43 posted on 01/24/2013 5:10:05 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: Morgana
Is this week open season on Catholics? I mean it. I was recently banned from a so called christian dating site after they were Catholic bashing me and I kinda lost my temper. I reported the bashers but that site is ran by protestants so you know I don’t stand a chance in ____. I no sooner post this and our bible is bashed by some other jerk.

Looks like it's open season on Protestants to me.

44 posted on 01/24/2013 6:28:18 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Morgana

I like best the curious part where the entire army of Judah, even with the power and will of God on their side, were unable to defeat a force of Caananite rednecks driving iron chariots.

Yee haw, Duke boys.


45 posted on 01/24/2013 7:15:40 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Bring back the booby hatches.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Caananite rednecks

LOL

46 posted on 01/24/2013 7:40:30 AM PST by rightly_dividing (Oops, where did my tagline go?)
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To: Morgana
I think the stuff not “for children” is what Sister is speaking of. Don’t you think that some of this stuff that is not “for children” is embarrasing to some prudish adults?

"Embarrasing to prudish adults" hits the nail on the head, IMO. A couple of years back, another FReeper took great umbrage over "filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6) being a reference to (to try and put it delicately) the by-product of a woman's monthly cycle. This FReeper insisted that the verse was being mistranslated. But I think we can agree with how a Catholic thread stated the matter last month:

As Isaiah noted, the best of our “good works” are viewed by God with all the contempt we would have for used menstrual rags. Thank God, Jesus is our righteousness.

47 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:43 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Morgana

Typical.


48 posted on 01/24/2013 9:20:31 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Morgana
I think the stuff not “for children” is what Sister is speaking of. Don’t you think that some of this stuff that is not “for children” is embarrasing to some prudish adults?

Oh for cryin' out loud. She means the first eleven chapters of Genesis are nonsense and that G-d never commanded the Israelites to exterminate the Canaanites (even though the Torah explicitly commands this). She's saying that those portions were written by "stone age savages" who only "thought" G-d commanded those things. In other words, she's rejecting the total inspiration and inerrancy of scripture.

49 posted on 01/24/2013 9:27:00 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Morgana
I don't know if I would find parts of the scriptures "embarrassing" to read. It's just that they're not relevant to many of our discussions. After all, how many of us would quote in our discussions:

While I'm sure that we appreciate one another on this site, I doubt if we want to be encouraging one another to be drunk with love.

However, the author makes a very good point. How many of us would shy away from Malachi:

I haven't heard that one preached on. That one would make many of us a bit uncomfortable.
50 posted on 01/24/2013 10:27:16 AM PST by HarleyD
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