CELIBACY AND THE PRIESTHOOD - 30 Questions and Answers

zna ^ | January 25, 2013 | John Flynn, LC

[metmom]

That would never happen in the Catholic Church. Refusal to have children is against the laws of God.

Oh?

Mary and Joseph immediately come to mind. Going against the laws of God is sin.

Catholicism made saints of them and claims Mary never sinned.

[NYer]

Mary and Joseph immediately come to mind.

Mary and Joseph were Jews, not Catholics.

[metmom]

Sin is sin. If something is against the laws of God, it’s against the laws of God everywhere and everywhen for everyone.

It’s irrelevant whether they were Catholic or not.

[Elsie]

1 Corinthians 7:2

But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

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[Elsie]

Mary and Joseph were Jews, not Catholics.

Sorry; but our Catholics on FR would disagree.

Since they obviously TRUSTED in Jesus for their salvation; that makes them 'christian'.

And, ALL 'christians' were CATHOLICs, according to ROME.

[CynicalBear]

Did you misread that statement? It didn’t say anything about having children. Read it again.

“How many churches in our time (or anytime), call themselves "Christian" and have any doctrine of forbidding to marry? Who else could Paul be seeing in his vision?”

That was talking about a church that “forbids to marry”. Now what did that have to do with people who are married having children?

And there is only one church that calls itself Christian who have a doctrine forbidding marriage and that is the Catholic church.

[CynicalBear]

Unless they aren’t for doctrinal support.

[CynicalBear]

1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Not sure what version of scripture you are using for that verse but it says to “avoid fornication” a man should have his own wife and a woman should have her own husband. I suppose you could infer that husbands and wives should have sexual relations but the verse you posted doesn’t exist as written in any Bible I can find.

[NYer]

Did you misread that statement? It didn’t say anything about having children. Read it again.

Perhaps you need to reread my response: "I can't think of any."

[NYer]

Sorry; but our Catholics on FR would disagree.

"our" Catholics? Name one.

We know from the Gospel of Matthew 1:14 that Joseph the husband of Mary was a righteous man, a devout law-abiding Jew.

Since they obviously TRUSTED in Jesus for their salvation; that makes them 'christian'.

No ... they did not trust in Jesus for their Salvation. They were not christian. Joseph predeceased Jesus. Mary followed Jewish law and had her son circumcised. Jesus was a rabbi. They were all Jews, including the apostles.

Perhaps you need to reread scripture.

[CynicalBear]

>> Perhaps you need to reread my response: "I can't think of any."<<

Does or does not the RCC require that priests not be married?

[Elsie]

No ... they did not trust in Jesus for their Salvation.

^{Matthew 1:19-21}

 

^{19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.}

 

^{20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”}

 

 

 

 

 

^{Luke 2:25-30}

 

^{25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Messiah. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:}

 

^{29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you may now dismiss[d] your servant in peace.
30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,}

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Perhaps you need to reread scripture.

[Elsie]

...the verse you posted doesn’t exist as written in any Bible I can find.

HMMMmmm...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7%3A2&version=NIV

[Elsie]

"our" Catholics? Name one.

terycarl

[CynicalBear]

Hmmm! I’ve never seen that one. In the Greek it’s not written that way. It simply says to avoid fornication a man should have a wife and a woman should have a husband. I suppose it’s implied but ……… YOu got me on that one.

[Elsie]

 

^{Brown-headed Cowbird females can lay 36 eggs in a season.}

^{The acceptance of a cowbird egg and rearing of a cowbird can be costly to a host species.}

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown-headed_Cowbird}

 

 

http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2010/05/should-you-remove-a-cowbird-egg/      Dani

[CynicalBear]

Ok, that one went right over my head. You’re going to have to explain how that fit into this conversation. LOL

[Bellflower]

OK, that one went right over my head. You’re going to have to explain how that fit into this conversation. LOL

LOL is right! This gave me quite a chuckle also.

Elsie did you post that comment on this thread by mistake, or is there a method to your madness. Thanks for the chuckle!

[Elsie]

I was trying to hijack the thread into the FORNICATION that we ALL are subsidizing today with Welfare, WIC and womanizing.

The comments I had typed up didn't make it when I posted my reply.

The cowbirds are the baby mommas who dump their eggs into our "It's for the chilrun" welfare nest.

[Elsie]

Elsie did you post that comment on this thread by mistake, or is there a method to your madness.

Several witnesses said that he'd been showing signs of instability...