Posted on 02/05/2013 9:14:39 AM PST by marshmallow
This baker is my hero. It’s hard to imagine that he could lose his business for.refusing to do business with some sodomites.
Stop the world. I want to get off.
- do gays have the right to force any or most churches to marry them in a “church wedding” ceremony? -—
That’s coming.
People don’t realize the implications of these laws.
School books will now be full of homosexual couples. Who can stop it if it’s legal? The sky’s the limit.
Thanks libertarians.
I'm guessing that the courts or regulatory agencies involved would disagree with your assertion. On such PC issues, those on the politically incorrect side have the burden of proof. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that these bakers were deliberately targeted so that ANY refusal could be claimed to be discrimination.
It is too bad that our society will not allow someone to exercise their religion beliefs and say "I'm opposed to same-sex unions and I am exercising my right to not associate with what I believe is an abomination in God's sight."
I am not stating my view in the issue, but rather how I believe the courts will rule on the matter. And I believe every court from the local courts to the SCOTUS would rule that the Oregon law that prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation is in fact constitutional.
As for my personal view, I recognize property rights and believe Christian baker should be able to refuse service to gays or or Christians or Muslims or people with brown eyes.
And I believe that the Muslim cab driver should be able to refuse service to people with non service dogs, gays or propel that are drunk.
I also believe that a landlord should be able to discriminate against prospective tenants with certain lifestyles. However, as a landlord I have know that it is counterproductive to discriminate.
If you say or do nothing, what proof is there to offer other than the lack of proof? Burden of proof is on the prosecutory/regulatory agencies involved. Thought crime (since it’s obvious that certain thoughts are “criminal” these days) is only a crime if someone actually knows your thoughts.
Perhaps I am revealing too much here... at least I can arm myself (for now) when they come and try and haul me away for a supposed crime against the collective.
When you fall into the trap of constantly having to justify your actions and “prove” to someone that the intent of one’s actions were “this” or were “that”, you are not being accountable, you are merely being ruled.
Interesting points, though.
Oh, and remember... if you ever want Justice, stay away from the judicial system. The carpetmuncher that is causing the problem for this guy... who knows what may happen to her... I am sure it will be Karmic, however.
First, there was no “discrimination” involved here. The baker is happy to serve these lesbians, but he does not have to serve them a specific “product” that he doesn’t supply - wedding cakes for non-weddings.
Your second point makes no sense?
Finally, there are several conservative legal orgs that will gladly take up his case pro bono. This has been the case with Elane Photography in New Mexico and the various parents in California who are fighting the homo-imposition of banning counseling to combat same-sex attraction. That you don’t realize this is strange.
I have no doubt that they will be able to raise money for their case if they plan on taking it to the federal level. But, a lot of the Pro Family money needs to be going support the Prop 8 case as well as DOMA.
And while some court rulings do surprise me, I do not think that the Oregon law will be found to be unconstitutional by either a state court or a federal court.
Even if the case were to make its way to the SCOTUS, do you think Kagan, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kennedy, Breyer and Roberts would vote to strike down the Oregon law?
anything beyond guaranteeing minorities the right to vote is an insult to the Constitution
“Refuse to make the cake. Refuse to pay the fines. Close the business and reopen under another name if necessary. Go to jail if that’s what it takes. Fighting the good fight has never been easy. And it’s going to get a lot harder before it’s over.
Take whatever consolation you can from the fact that you are staying true to God.”
It’s February folks! The BSA is going to be 103 this year, and its Blue and Gold month.
All of your local Cub Scout Packs are celebrating Baden-Powell’s vision this month with dinners.
Might I suggest ordering a Blue and Gold cake for any local Cub Scout Pack in your area? Half sheet to full sheet should do it.
The BSA is having a tough go of it right now.
too busy that week is a better excuse
You are in the same boat I am, I tell them it is not right to get a divorce, but if, after I have laid out the reasons they are only compounding their problems, they insist, I will do it for them
Oregon FReepers....promote Sweet Cakes... Does he have an internet address?
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