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Boy Scouts, Mormon Church Settle Sex Abuse Lawsuit
Oregon Herald ^ | Nov. 25, 2012 | Donna Millsap

Posted on 02/10/2013 10:44:37 AM PST by Colofornian

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To: Colofornian
Isn't there a statute of limitations about such crimes?

And then there is the problem of false memory syndrome and fake lawsuits.

I'm not saying abuse didn't occur, I'm just wondering why it took so many years for the suit to happen. Is there a “paper trail” suggesting he revealed it in the past to a counselor etc?

21 posted on 02/10/2013 5:02:03 PM PST by LadyDoc
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You always post about abuse, so maybe you might want to know that 20 percent of gay teenaged boys and 5 percent of heterosexual teenaged boys have had intercourse below age 13, according to the CDC.

So you can’t just point fingers at a church you dislike when a sexual predator pretends to be religious to target kids.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 5:08:30 PM PST by LadyDoc
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Re: the church -- in THIS particular instance -- the issue isn't simply that sex abuse occurred at the hands of a church rep. It was that the Lds church failed to act after receiving info about this man.

This is FAR from the only case involving Lds Boy Scout leaders.

Here -- go to Mormon (Latter Day Saints) Sexual Abuse Lawyer (Perhaps FREEPER Washi can find a parallel "Evangelical Sexual Abuse Lawyer" Web site).

Per this Web site:
We began fighting for those abused in the context of the Mormon Church in 2005, and since then have represented several dozen men and women who were abused by missionaries, home teachers, bishops, Scout leaders and others in positions of LDS callings. In 2007, Kelly Clark, along with Gilion Dumas and Kristian Roggendorf, won major pretrial victories against the LDS Church on disputed legal questions such as the statute of limitations, punitive damages and– most significantly– won a ruling from the trial court, backed up by the Oregon Supreme Court, that the Church release its financial records. Perhaps not surprisingly, the case settled immediately after that decision. Beginning in 2007, we brought a case on behalf of six men against the LDS Church, with claims of harboring a serial child abuser in Portland, a Scout leader, who had confessed to his bishop to molesting 17 boys in the troop, and yet was allowed by this bishop to resume Scouting leadership within only a few months. The LDS settled out of that case in 2009, and in 2010 we proceeded to trial against only the BSA, winning a record verdict of nearly $20 million, including punitive damages of $18.5 million. Since that trial, we have continued to advocate for survivors of abuse in the LDS context, and in 2012, for example, Gilion Dumas and our firm defeated comprehensive motions brought by the Church in a case in federal court in Boise, Idaho. gain, that case settled just after the court’s ruling, as we were preparing to head to trial. Those who’ve survived Mormon abuse often have conflicting feelings of doubt, shame, anger, and an aversion to religion. At the same time, many remain deeply loyal to the Church. But all have been betrayed by an authority figure from that Church. This dynamic leads to much confusion and disillusionment for survivors of abuse in Mormonism. We understand this confusion, and while we never suggest that a person abandon his or her faith, we do believe that, for some survivors, securing justice for themselves and accountability for their abusers and those who may have enabled it is an important part of the healing process.

In the case re: this article, Gilion Dumas (mentioned above) was the attorney on behalf of the victim.

If you review the circumstances of MOST of these 2011 cases below, you'll find a common theme: Lds leaders were REPORTED to have KNOWN about reports of abuse, yet failed to act responsibly in addressing them...the odds of this happening in so many recent cases for ANY given SMALL denomination or sect would be astounding...which is why this SHOUTS for a response!

2011

* December, 2011: Judge weighing whether Mormon bishop should stand trial for failure to report abuse
* Mid-November, 2011: Provo city to file charges against LDS bishop
* April, 2011: Mormon Church Denies Prior Knowledge of Susan Brock Affair With Teen Boy, Which is a Lie
* March, 2011: Sacramento News & Review
* February, 2011: Father of The 5 Browns pleads guilty to sexually abusing his daughters

23 posted on 02/10/2013 5:25:17 PM PST by Colofornian
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You always post about abuse, so maybe you might want to know that 20 percent of gay teenaged boys and 5 percent of heterosexual teenaged boys have had intercourse below age 13, according to the CDC. So you can’t just point fingers at a church you dislike when a sexual predator pretends to be religious to target kids.

Also, are you consistent here? For a while, there wasn't a week gone by that the MSM wasn't reporting of yet another public educator (and on occasion, a private-school educator as well) who had been arrested of sexually abusing a student.

Whenever these articles have popped up on FR (about school educators), have you posted the above stat with an accompanying, "So you can’t just point fingers at the public school system you dislike when a sexual predator pretends to be 'educationally-minded' to target kids" ????

And...by parallel, do you REALLY think all school teachers guilty of sexually abusing students merely have "pretended" to be kid-oriented (in a good way) and "educationally-minded" just to get them into closer proximity with kids??? I don't think so...; I think many do...and many don't ... but who knows the breakdown? (I don't)

What? Do you think all of these teachers merely disguised their pedophilia in order to get closer to kids, or do you think that perhaps in many cases, circumstances/temptations /poor choices could explain them as well???

Why is it that in these church cases, it's supposedly "pretend" Mormons or "EX-Mormons" with emphasis on the "Ex" part -- but when teachers are the guilty party, nobody accuses them of being "pretend" educators or emphasizes how they are now "ex-teachers" as ways of trying to exculpate the school system...???

...Seems awfully and highly inconsistent to me...Just sayin'...

24 posted on 02/10/2013 5:37:31 PM PST by Colofornian
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(Perhaps FREEPER Washi can find a parallel "Evangelical Sexual Abuse Lawyer" Web site)

Colofornian. You made the assertion, did you not, that Mormon's have "way more" than their share of sexual crimes?

I asked you to cite a study that backs your claim.

If such a study exists, certainly it would be an easy thing to post a link to it here and shut me up.

Anecdotal stories, cherry-picked from the Internet prove nothing, and you know it.

Find your study, show me that Mormons are statistically more likely to commit sexual crimes than Evangelicals or any other religion and I'll concede your point.

25 posted on 02/10/2013 6:27:56 PM PST by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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This thread is in “chat” - the Religion Forum guidelines do not apply here.


26 posted on 02/10/2013 7:52:24 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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(I understand that NOW...article was originally placed in the Religion Forum ... and moved by the mods...like others (plural) the mods have moved today ... seems like threads that would remain where they were -- had they been placed by any other FREEPER -- get moved by virtue of who placed them...but hey, that's life...nothing to get riled about)
27 posted on 02/10/2013 8:07:50 PM PST by Colofornian
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