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MSNBC Features Liberal Nun Slamming Catholic Church: 'One Of The Last Bastions Of Sexism'
Newsbusters ^ | February 15, 2013 | Jeffrey Meyer

Posted on 02/16/2013 7:15:23 AM PST by NYer

It seems as though MSNBC’s liberal agenda doesn't concern itself simply with secular politics. They want the Catholic Church to "lean forward" into fundamentally changing themselves to reflect liberal values. In service of this pulpit-pounding, MSNBC's Jansing & Co. program brought on two liberal Catholic women over two days. At no point did she turn to a traditionalist, orthodox Catholic to defend the church's traditional teachings.

On February 14, fill-in host Richard Lui interviewed Sister Louise Akers, of the Sisters of Charity to rail against the Church, in what she views as, “the last bastion of sexism.” Lui began the segment with the liberal nun by noting:

There’s certainly been criticisms in the past. For instance, Maureen Dowd in the New York Times criticizing the Vatican saying that they accused nuns of pushing radical feminist themes this is from a year ago. There's also the issue of women in the priesthood.  [See video after jump.  MP3 audio here.]

On February 15, Chris Jansing brought on Kate Childs Graham, a columnist at the liberal National Catholic Reporter, to continue MSNBC’s anti-Catholic agenda.  Neither segment offered guests to challenge the liberal ideology espoused by the guests; instead Jansing and Lui acted as cheerleaders to promote radical changes in church doctrine.

Jansing tossed softballs at Graham, enabling the liberal activist to claim that:

There's clearly a consensus in the pews about issues like transparency, accountability, women’s equality and LGBT equality, and we need a pope that's listening to that.

Jansing then played a clip of Sister Akers calling the Catholic Church sexist to push her belief that the Catholic Church needs to add women into the priesthood.  Jansing concluded her segment by asking Ms. Graham:

 Why would you be a member of this church that seems to be anti-women, anti-gay?

 

MSNBC

Jansing & Co.

February 14, 2013

10:44 a.m. EST

RICHARD LUI: The Vatican this morning is revealing Pope Benedict hit his head during last year's visit to Mexico, but officials deny it had any significant role in his resignation. Today the pontiff has been meeting with the pastors of Rome’s parishes a day after celebrating his final public mass at Ash Wednesday observances at St. Peter’s Basilica. The conclave of cardinals will meet next month to pick Benedict's successor. Let's bring in Sister Louise Akers the former director of the Office of Peace, Justice, and Integrity of Creation for the Sisters of Charities. Sister, good to see you.

LOUISE AKERS: Thank you. Good to be here.

LUI: Let me start with this. As the Cardinals get ready to pick the next Pope, what issues would you like the next Pontiff to address first? There’s certainly been criticisms in the past. For instance, Maureen Dowd in the "New York Times" criticizing the Vatican saying that they accused nuns of pushing radical feminist themes this is from a year ago. There's also the issue of women in the priesthood.

AKERS: Well, certainly the role of women in the church is a critical issue in the church today. And for the world today. And so I would whole heartedly support an expanded role and that expanded role based really on the dignity, the value, the equality of women to the men in the church. And I think if that’s recognized, then women will become part of the body of decision makers and more active in the church universal and in local churches.

LUI: Do you believe, sister that the next Pope that is chosen from the Conclave might move that way? And what roles as you were just describing would you see as good roles for women to move in to?

AKRES: Who knows what the next Pope will do or who the next pope will be. My first thought with regard to future Pope was a hope and prayer really that we would have another person like John XXIII who brought us Vatican Council which reformed the church 50 years ago and it's ongoing today. I think, in light of the renewal and reform from Vatican 2, that's based upon the church being the church in the modern world that the role of women needs to be recognized as it's recognized really in most major institutions of the world. I think the Catholic Church; the Roman Catholic Church is probably one of the last bastions of sexism. And so in whatever ways that can be rectified, I think there's a growing resistance to the status quo today and a growing movement to suggest changes. Among those changes would surely be the option for women who feel so called to be ordained as priests. I think priesthood needs to be transformed and women could help do that. I think also women's role as I said before decision makers, policy makers would be another way to go.

LUI: At the top, at the middle, everywhere is what you're saying throughout the Catholic Church.

AKRES: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

 

MSNBC

Jansing and Co.

February 15, 2013

10:47 a.m. EST

CHRIS JANSING: We're learning new details about what life will be like for Pope Benedict XVI after he steps down. The Pope has told a farewell audience of priests and clergy of the Diocese of Rome he will remain, quote, hidden to the world in retirement. Indicating he will not have a public role once his resignation takes effect February 28th. Joining me now, Kate Childs Graham, columnist for the Young Voices Series at the National Catholic Reporter and an activist in the progressive catholic movement. Good morning.

KATE CHILDS GRAHAM: Good morning.

JANSING: After learning of the Pope's decision to resign, you actually sat down; you spoke with a group of young progressive Catholics. If there was a kind of overriding theme to their thoughts, what was it?

GRAHAM: I think what we’re looking for is a pope who's a good listener. There's clearly a consensus in the pews about issues like transparency, accountability, women’s equality and LGBT equality, and we need a Pope that's listening to that.

JANSING: When you say that transparency is a key issue to the next pope, what do you think that this Pope hasn't done or even Pope John Paul II that can change that perception?

GRAHAM: Sure. I mean think that this Pope certainly has had a papacy kind of plagued with scandal and division. He even spoke to that on Ash Wednesday, he said, he spoke about the divisions in our church. And I think that was a clear signal to the next Pope that their key task is going to be healing those divisions and that certainly is going to come with some transparency and certainly transformation in our church.

JANSING: Sister Louise Akres is a member of the Sisters of Charity. And she was on the program yesterday here on Jansing and Company. And here's what she had to say about women in the church.

LOUISE AKRES: I think the Catholic Church; the Roman Catholic Church is probably one of the last bastions of sexism. And so in whatever ways that can be rectified, I think there's a growing resistance to the status quo today and a growing movement to suggest changes.

JANSING: Sister Akres went on to say that women in the priesthood could be one possible solution and I'm wondering what your reaction is to those comments?

GRAHAM: Absolutely. I think women in the priesthood is one component of the transformation we need to see. But we can't just add women in stir, right? We need to fully transform our church, look at those policies and practices that we have that are great and keep them and lift them up and change those that just aren’t working and women's inequality in the church isn’t working for many Catholics.

JANSING: There has been a lot of talk about the church and modernization although to be fair the conversations that we are having right now are the same conversations that we had when Pope John Paul II was ill and then when the next conclave came to be. But are there other areas not just that you think the church should kind of quote/unquote modernize but areas in which you think there is real hope for progress. 

GRAHAM: Sure. I don't know if it’s about modernization so much as it is about transformation. We need a bringing up to date to borrow a phrase from the Second Vatican Council, but we need more than that. We need to look at the teachings and practices around economic justice and social justice that have served Catholics so well and lift those up and we need to change those that aren't working, those around banning women from the priesthood is just one example but certainly those that condemn homosexuality is another

JANSING: It is interesting when you look just at the raw numbers of what's going on in the Catholic Church after years and years frankly of the number of vocations going down. They seem to be slowly on the rise, even here in the United States. There are some surprising numbers, I think, in the number of young people who are part of the Catholic Church or even joining the Catholic Church and I'm sure people asked you the question, Kate, why would you be a member of this church that seems to be anti-women, anti-gay? I'm sure you get this question. What do you say?

GRAHAM: I say that this church is as much my church as it is Pope Benedict's church. This church is home for me. And I think we see young Catholics and progressive Catholics, members of call to action, an organization that I'm on the board of, that are building inclusive justice-seeking, loving faith communities at the local level and we're going to continue to do that no matter who the next Pope is.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: feminists; liberals; msnbc; nuns; radicalfeminists; religiousleft; vatican

1 posted on 02/16/2013 7:15:32 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
And to top it all off, there's this article, penned by "Catholic Visionary" Sr. Joan Chittister: Pope Benedict XVI's Most Powerful Gift to the Church - His Resignation.

Dream on liberal feminists!

2 posted on 02/16/2013 7:17:49 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Sister?
That ain’t no woman! It’s a man, man!


3 posted on 02/16/2013 7:25:45 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: NYer

These are nuns.

I have no idea what that thing on MSNBC was.

Its like the morons in congress at a hearing when they see the whackjobs wearing pink all in a big group. How can you not know what is coming? When some hippy looking rachel maddow half man pretends to be a nun, why tolerate it? You know whats coming, get it out of your church and away from your family and congregation.

4 posted on 02/16/2013 7:26:56 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: NYer

Wait a minute - which one was the nun? I see a woman and a man!


5 posted on 02/16/2013 7:29:52 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: NYer

> JANSING: It is interesting when you look just at the raw numbers of what’s going on in the Catholic Church after years and years frankly of the number of vocations going down. They seem to be slowly on the rise, even here in the United States. There are some surprising numbers, I think, in the number of young people who are part of the Catholic Church or even joining the Catholic Church and I’m sure people asked you the question, Kate, why would you be a member of this church that seems to be anti-women, anti-gay? I’m sure you get this question. What do you say?

GRAHAM: I say that this church is as much my church as it is Pope Benedict’s church. This church is home for me. And I think we see young Catholics and progressive Catholics, members of call to action, an organization that I’m on the board of, that are building inclusive justice-seeking, loving faith communities at the local level and we’re going to continue to do that no matter who the next Pope is.

My answer: we don’t condone homosexuality and it is a perversion of Satan that the liberal media seem to have an inordinately large number of. It seems as though their views are skewed that way when they interview us at least. Why do they continue to promote homosexuality in movies, the Internet, and the MSM and now the Boy Scouts of America? Is there a hidden agenda that the Church should know about when we do these interviews with you? Are they trying to increase their numbers, is it for population control, or if we begin to accept homosexuality as normal does that mean bestiality and pedophelia are next? We do love you but we don’t have to like you.

End of interview...lol


6 posted on 02/16/2013 7:31:03 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: COBOL2Java

I should say: I see a woman show host and a man...


7 posted on 02/16/2013 7:31:11 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: NYer

Some place where men still lead? Almost makes me want to join the RCC.


8 posted on 02/16/2013 7:34:25 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: NYer

One of the {{hero’s}} of the National Catholic Distorter...

...and NO! I didn’t mean to say heroine, you see I know the difference.

Another lefty benefit with Odumbo-care is that in the near future Homeland Security can notify the endless gatekeepers of healthcare of my politically incorrect posts and run me around in circles until it’s too late.

These self hating salt water douche bags won’t be happy till all men are forced to sit down and pee.


9 posted on 02/16/2013 7:35:20 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: NYer

WTF is that on the right side of the screen shot?


10 posted on 02/16/2013 7:36:23 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: NYer
Kate, why would you be a member of this church that seems to be anti-women, anti-gay?

Oh, I dunno ... how about "Because it's pro-God"?

11 posted on 02/16/2013 7:38:46 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: jsanders2001

My goodness! It’s been reported that there are over 30k “Christian Churches” - these nuns could have a real choice. Better yet - they could start/create their own Church - and call themselves priest or whatever they choose. A do it Yourself - Religion. Can’t beat that! Only thing .. they wouldn’t get the recognition they enjoy now ... by hanging on to the Church.


12 posted on 02/16/2013 7:41:50 AM PST by gramcam
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To: NYer
Good morning.

Who is the guy on the right in that picture?

5.56mm

13 posted on 02/16/2013 7:43:12 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: NYer

“Clear consensus in the pews” ? Where is she going to Mass?


14 posted on 02/16/2013 7:43:53 AM PST by Mercat (Never laugh at live dragons)
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To: NYer
I was looking at the poster in our church that shows the seminarians in our diocese, and four, young, smiling, and good-looking guys were all from the same parish, the parish that has a "daily" Traditional Latin Mass. {{{{{Get the girls off the altar!}}}}}

P.S. They also have Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration!
15 posted on 02/16/2013 7:44:28 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Little Ray

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. :)


16 posted on 02/16/2013 7:51:01 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: COBOL2Java

Me too!


17 posted on 02/16/2013 7:55:27 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

If that liberal cares so much about women then how come she dresses and has hair like a man?

Can’t they find a normal person who hates the Catholic Church?


18 posted on 02/16/2013 7:56:22 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: NYer
Tell the nuns to get a job. That's what my dad told my aunt the last time she came to town.

He raised her (and his own four kids) and fed and clothed her when she was a little girl (for 10 years) until she went in the convent.

She never worked a day while mooching off my dad even though she was old enough to work.

She's a pure communist.

19 posted on 02/16/2013 7:57:36 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: NYer

I wonder if Sr. Joan spends any, ANY, quiet time in front of the Blessed Sacrament.


20 posted on 02/16/2013 7:59:33 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer

‘She’ is a good example of the failure of Church leadership. Creatures like that should be excommunicated.


21 posted on 02/16/2013 8:01:12 AM PST by LastNorwegian
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To: NYer

Why do so many radical women look like freaky men?


22 posted on 02/16/2013 8:02:35 AM PST by grimalkin (A tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’m a good Methodist.
Not the whacked-out gun-grabbing, pro-abortion, social justice type that seems to populate the leadership, but a “Grace of God through Jesus Christ” type.
But I do like cookies.


23 posted on 02/16/2013 8:15:24 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: NYer
Rachel Maddow has a twin sister who is a nun? Who knew?
24 posted on 02/16/2013 8:20:06 AM PST by Pinkbell
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To: NYer

Why does she call herself Catholic if she doesn’t believe in the tenets of the Catholic Church?

Could it POSSIBLY be a bid for attention?


25 posted on 02/16/2013 8:23:02 AM PST by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: NYer

Gee whiz. Bafflegab from msnbc. Who saw THAT coming?


26 posted on 02/16/2013 8:39:24 AM PST by don-o (Proud Papa of a USMC Reserve Sgt and Officer Candidate in December 2013.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt; NYer; COBOL2Java; t1b8zs
That's not Louise Akers on the right in the picture.

Those dissident sects of nuns don't have anyone that young.

This is Louise Akers:

The person on the right is Kate Childs Graham.

27 posted on 02/16/2013 9:22:01 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: NYer

The Catholic Church has survived much worse than these heretics and enemies; people were fed to the lions rather than give up their faith. As I read in a book on the Spanish Civil War, the Church is fed by the blood of its martyrs. Let these freaks bring it; the Catholic Church claims descent from St. Peter, and the last 2,000 years won’t be erased so easily. Catholics survive in Red China, Vietnam, etc.; the can survive the Obamanation.


28 posted on 02/16/2013 9:27:42 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: jtal

Looks like Nikita Khrushchev in drag.


29 posted on 02/16/2013 9:31:20 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: icwhatudo
I prefer this classic:


30 posted on 02/16/2013 9:34:04 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: NYer

What other kind of ‘Sister’ would MSNBC bring in? You think they’d find a nun who truly believes in Jesus, and agrees with the teaching of His Church? I’m sure the names of any of those nuns do not appear in MSNBC’s rolodex.


31 posted on 02/16/2013 9:37:45 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: jtal

Thank you, but I stand by my observation;
“...that’s a man, man.”


32 posted on 02/16/2013 9:40:50 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: kearnyirish2
Catholics survive in Red China, Vietnam, etc.; they can survive the Obamanation.

Absolutely!

33 posted on 02/16/2013 9:55:13 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: M Kehoe

Who is the guy on the right in that picture?


I don’t know but the woman on the left looks like she could suck-start a Chevy.


34 posted on 02/16/2013 10:10:19 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Little Ray

http://www.osv.com/Portals/0/kXGallery11709/105-0561_IMG.JPG

We have lots of wonderful cookies. :)

We can always use good men and women. We need all the help we can get.


35 posted on 02/16/2013 10:20:04 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Little Ray

How about a good fish fry? :) We pack ‘em in on Friday nights during Lent.


36 posted on 02/16/2013 10:24:15 AM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (How long till my Arkansas drawl fades into the twang of southeast Ohio?)
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To: jtal
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37 posted on 02/16/2013 10:58:20 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jtal

Check out the second bolded link on the above list — to see more pictures like this one. Consider yourself warned. LOL!


38 posted on 02/16/2013 11:00:05 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

The guy on the right looks like Jon Cryer, the guy who plays “Alan” on Two and a Half Men...


39 posted on 02/16/2013 2:39:28 PM PST by Kenton
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To: NYer
WAIT! Rick is a nun now?


40 posted on 02/16/2013 2:46:00 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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