Posted on 02/16/2013 5:20:42 PM PST by George Varnum
If you are RCC I would not suggest watching anything beyond the letter, as he puts on a miter and goes off on a diatribe about the Papacy, Priesthood, Catholic traditions and other subjects pretty much guaranteed to offend you.
Probably bull manure.
I applaud your audacity in controverting an eminent Theologian and Middle English Prest who seems to have studied & comprehended every book ever written and takes Tea with Elohim himself every fortnight in order to suggest ways in which the Kingdom might be improved.
Here I thought that being wrong was my gig, pretty much exclusively.
Thanks!
Hmmmm....there is a Saintly prophesy about a Pope being arrested just prior to the end-times unfolding...
So if Benedict avoids this and the next Pope falls victim to “charges”....
Actually, the thing to keep in mind...all this is supposed to happen, we’re just noting the markers.
What interesting times we live in....
To return to the thread topic: No, the Pope is not facing an international criminal prosecution. He faces bizarre sniping from Liliputian gangs of socialist and heretic Christian retards, like the ivarfjeld bloggers.
Jesus called the church his Bride...He never mentioned the Catholic religion of Rome... Right.
No council determined whether there would be Gentiles within the body of Christ...God made that
determination... Right.
The only plan for the ‘Church’ is written about in Rev. 17...The church on the other hand is the body of Christ, the called out assembly of believers...
Yep, the institutions are not the Bride of Christ, the true believers are called out of the religious institutions as in rev 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
There are some who would have us believe that, but a 20 second or so conversation about things Bible flushes 'em out...As long as they can keep the Bible out of any Theological conversation, they can skate along and pretend they know something of value...Seems to work...
It seems to escape many people that there is a major religious institution which is a home to some of God's Christians, and God warns those to get out of that institution...
Many are now claiming that that institution is Izlam...But there aren't any of God's people in Izlam...It's another major religious institution...One where some Christians think they are at home...
It seems to escape many people that there is a major religious institution which is a home to some of God’s Christians, and God warns those to get out of that institution...
I think that a lot of us are getting a pretty good idea of what needs to be abandoned, and that is not our relationship with YHVH or His Messiah, but the artificial containments and trappings by which men have sought to exploit and manipulate them, and usurp their legitimate majesty for the interests and aggrandizement of the religious aristocracy.
The institutional Church has been desecrated, compromised and corrupted nearly to the core. When you’ve got over 60% (which I’ve heard is a conservative estimate) of Priests and Ministers addicted to pornography, then you’ve got an institution well past the point of decline and well into collapse.
How can we call ourselves “Christians” when the only “Holy Days” we celebrate are Pagan, sun worshipping fertility rites carried down from the ancient Babylonian and Roman cultures? Why do we totally ignore if not mock the traditional feasts and observances stipulated and commanded by Elohim for His covenantal People in that Bible we so revere?
It’s high time that we, as God’s People, get out of Babylon.
Our dalliance with Baal and Dagon have lasted far too long, even though we were deceived by their elaborate “Christian” costumes.
Time to leave Rome, Beloved, even though it’s hard to do after 2000 years.
Clear out of Sodom, and high tail it out of Gomorrah... before it’s too late!
Mike Rood hasn’t been calling me out of a doomed institution long overdue for judgement; the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) has been pulling at my mind and heart for years now, and reading of the Word just confirms it.
But as we abandon the old, corrupted structure, where do we go? Can we still be Christians if we abandon the apostate “Christian” Church?
I rather think so.
Can we abide in it if we no longer believe half of the stuff they are preaching there?
Speaking for myself, I can’t play that charade any longer.
The most logical path, for me at least, is to seek restoration of what the original Disciples had going on back in the 1st and 2nd Centuries, before Rome and Constantine hijacked the movement and adulterated it almost beyond recognition.
I don’t have chapter and verse handy, but I do know that as Gentiles who are drawn back to God, we have access to salvation via the “grafting in” to the olive Vine or root of Israel, YHVH’s chosen People.
If salvation is of the Jews, (John 4:22) shouldn’t we have a little respect for their history, culture, and Faith traditions?
This is what I take to be the “Hebraic Roots” movement; meeting our God where He calls us to be, rather than where we might expect him to show up in our lives.
For a Jew, I think that it comes pretty close to the “Nazarene” culture: http://www.wnae.org/statementfaith.htm
While for a Gentile who seeks to follow our Jewish Savior somewhat as he called His Jewish Apostles to do, I think we’re looking at a “Messianic” (Which essentially means the same thing as “Christian”) identity.
To me, “Messianic” kind of means “Paleo-Christian”.
Where do we go to find fellowship though, since both the religious “Christians” and “Jews” will reject us?
There are a few “Messianic Jewish” (some claim that to be an oxymoron) Synagogs around, but darned few Sabbatarian Churches who follow the old Hebraic feasts and traditions.
Most of them have been systematically exterminated over the years... by those Pagan infested institutional “religions” we were just talking about.
In a lot of cases we escapees are going to have to search one another out and start replicating some first Century Churches pretty much from scratch... and we might not have a lot of time left.
Say, didn’t you once claim to be a Catholic and then mock Baptists? Back in 2008 (see my profile)? And then a modalist? Then a Jew, etc. etc?
Say, didn’t you once claim to be a Catholic and then mock Baptists? Back in 2008 (see my profile)? And then a modalist? Then a Jew, etc. etc?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
The Talmud is a collection of multiple rabbinical commentaries on the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible). They spoke of tradition, rituals and theological interpretations of the sacred books. Why would they need to be considered "canonical"? They were always understood to be companion writings to those sacred books that were accepted as belonging to the Hebrew canon - the Law and the Prophets. Just as the Roman Catholic Church Catechism is not considered canonical, neither is the Talmud.
I think that a lot of us are getting a pretty good idea of what needs to be abandoned,
First off the Gospel has been preached to all of the world as Jesus said that it would, some times we have to go over a preachers sermon with a fine toothed comb to find it.
because many of them are too busy preaching sermons telling us we need to give them more money.
It is really amazing that people hear a bit of the gospel here and a little more there so in some cases the Churches are preaching the real Gospel of Jesus in spite of them selves.
I have very little education ( i am sure some one will say that is obvious )so i can not go into any thing regarding what some certain word in Hebrew or Greek would mean in English, and it does not worry me because i think God was watching out for us when he made it possible for every house hold to have a Bible.
I believe the only true Church is in our hearts because Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you.
Just think about it, the little guy in bib overalls, chewing tobacco, a guy that other people are apt to think is funny but would not be very proud to have him in their Church, and some would want to spit on, but he forgets himself and does anything to help others no matter who they are, fixes their flats, works on their cars when they are broke down along the road and never excepts pay and would even give you his last dollar.
I have met a few people like that and at the time never thought much about it, but thinking back i believe i saw Christ.
When we read the Gospel of Jesus we can see that this is what his Gospel is really all about.
Most Churches go along with the idea that the sabbath has been changed from the seventh day to the first day but genesis tells us that it was history, history can not be changed.
Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man and not the other way around so i am not too concerned except that i can not understand why they insist that it was changed when it is not in the scripture.
But i have met very good people from every Church that i am familiar with so i do not doubt that all of them produces at least some Christians.
The real problem i have is with me, what am i going to say on Judgement day? what excuse am i going to use when i am asked, when i was hungry did you give me food, when i was thirsty did you give me water?
Or is he going to say sure i understand, you could not stop to help me because you were on your way to Church to hear my gospel.
Nope...I claimed I was a Catholic who would join the Baptist religion if only they would let me continue to get drunk or something to that affect...I was mocking you and your religion...
And of course I was never a Catholic nor would I ever be, although I was given the cracker a couple of times by a priest at a service that was mostly spoken and sung in Latin...I was invited by a wonderful young Catholic girl whom I was shacking up with...We used to get boozed up on Friday and Saturday nights and on Sundays she would head to Mass...
That's what you say today?
And what about the times of being a Baptist?
Or a Lutheran? Or a Pentecostal?
Taqqiyah — Islamic practice of Moslems to sow discord by pretending to be others...
Wow, so now you are trying to tell Jews like jj what they believe in? Wow, talk of arrogance
Only one sowing discord here is YOU. How much longer are you going to drag disputes from other threads YEARS old after repeatedly being warned by the RM to stop?
Wow, didn't you just try to do the same thing when you said in post #52:
Actually you get it wrong again, the Tanakh is the canon of the HEBREW Bible, it hasn't got 66 books -- it has 35 (if you include the Ketuvim) -- and the Torah is the first 5 books written by Moses. This includes the teachings of the prophets and rabbis -- so for Rood to junk them and claims he knows more than Jews is just stupid on Rood's part
I asked the simple question about the TALMUD being canonical and why a non-Jew would need to see them on par with the Hebrew Old Testament books after you challenged George Varnum on why he didn't accept the Talmud as canonical (post #54 If you don't accept the canonicity of the Talmud, that's your choice. why don't you? ). Did you, in your haste to smear me with accusations of "arrogance", step on your OWN appendage? Slow TV night in Poland?
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