Posted on 02/17/2013 8:50:07 PM PST by Colofornian
Thanks for posting. Informative, educational.
We are smart...
I have no problems with anyone engaging in the expression of free speech. I DO have a problem with someone whose revelling in being "saved" seems to be largely augmented by looking down their noses at the poor rubes who are not part of their heavenly club. I dont care whether they are mormons, catholics, evangelicals or reformed toadstool worshippers. Triumphalism, i.e. the arrogant belief that your preferred set of ordering worship is superior to that of the church down the road, has no place in Christian thought. The only thing, and I mean the only thing, that Christians have going for them is that we have a savior. Everything else is window dressing.
I applaud you talking to the poor lady in your example. But I would stop you if you did it by beating her around the head with your bible.
Your opposition to exposition of cult doctrine and the posting of opposing biblical scripture is best presented to the Religion Moderator, who I’m sure will enlighten you as to the propriety of these topics on this forum.
Did Jesus engage in "Triumphalism" versus the Pharisees with his message of Matthew 23?
Did the early Church fathers of Christianity engage in "triumphalism" vs. Gnostic sects & Arianism heresies?
What do you do? Do you just go about totally revising the New Testament and early Christian church history where-ever it doesn't "fit" with your sectarian brand?
...I DO have a problem with someone whose revelling in being "saved" seems to be largely augmented by looking down their noses at the poor rubes who are not part of their heavenly club...arrogant belief that your preferred set of ordering worship is superior to that of the church down the road...
IOW...your set of ordering outreach MUST BE "superior to that of" my church down FReeper road, eh?
So how is it that...
...as you look down your nose at my engagement of what every major Christian denomination regards as "heresy" that you manage to escape your own finger-pointing of "arrogance"?
If my outreach technique doesn't match your elitist standard, am I not a "poor rube" in your eyes?
If you accuse me of doing something that "has no place in Christian thought" -- are you not engaging in your own intolerant heresy hunting whereby you flunk your own standards of perceived tolerance? Are you not thereby engaging in your own version of "Christian triumphalism" where you're expressing, "Boy, I'm glad I'm not a sinner like that Colofornian is"???
I applaud you talking to the poor lady in your example. But I would stop you if you did it by beating her around the head with your bible.
EXPOSING people to Biblical concepts is not automatic IMPOSING upon people from the Bible...'tis your unproved assumption of hyperbole that translates such to "beating...round the head."
Elsewise, you'd have been guilty of beating me over the head with your Bible in your last post...
...since your accusations were plenty...(elitism; triumphalism; arrogance; superiorism; "no place in Christian thought"; assaulting women)
...If you were somehow representing some kind of "kinder and gentler" humble version of Christianity, sorry, you flunked your own personal standards with that post!!!
I’m sorry I don’t understand what you are talking about. I havent expressed opposition to anything except smugness and trampling over other people. I dont mind if people want to fire bible verses at each other, or engage in rationale debate.
Well, to set the record straight, I'm not trying to revise the NT or early Church history - I dont think I mentioned any of that. I just think that witnessing to someone is more effective if you respect their situation, even if you disagree with it. Honey catches more flies than vinegar. Or if you want to be more scriptural, Jesus talking to the woman at the well.
I'm sorry if you thought I was speaking about you personally with the bit about those "revelling in being "saved" seems to be largely augmented by looking down their noses at the poor rubes who are not part of their heavenly club" and "arrogant belief that your preferred set of ordering worship is superior to that of the church down the road". I was speaking in general terms. The tragic fact is that kind of thing does happen. There are Christians who seem to spend more time bashing other Christians about points of theology than they do standing up to secularism, islam, or neo-paganism. I've been on the recieving end of a lot of that, and so I'm quite sensitised to it. Its very saddening and very painful. Friendly fire always is.
I'm a Baptist. I'm a baptist by conviction. I disagree with some of the beliefs and practices of the Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans and Catholics I have come across, but I don't deny they are Christian. Some Catholics (and extreme protestant groups) dont afford me the same consideration, and I resent that. I resent that an awful lot. I particularly dont like getting it on this site.
Mormans and Jehovahs Witnesses are heretics, but that just means they are wrong. Of course exposing people to the correct Biblical concepts is not automatically imposing upon people from the Bible - but some people do that, and I think that although with God's grace that can work it's more usually counter-productive. Again I wasnt attacking you personally - I don't know how you work - I was making a general comment. I apologise if you've taken that to heart.
Baptist, huh.
is not automatically imposing upon people from the Bible - but some people do that, and I think that although with God's grace that can work IOW, some people still go after Heretics and non believers with what used to be called "bible-bashing" - a heavy handed stream of assertions. Increasingly people you witness to today won't put up with that. Your post will be reported.
I’m absolutely terrified.
Religion is and always has been the problem. Religion is man made way, a human invention, to worship God. He doesn’t want a man made system to worship him. That is what Leviticus is about. Under that system, there is no way for us to get close to Him- or to get it right.
He want’s us to love one another, show mercy, and follow Him humbly- exalting only the one God (because everyone else wants to consume us), and nothing else.
Religion is this woman’s problem- not unbelievers.
You should be. You’re in danger of hellfire.
My, thou art full of thyself. What’s the matter, troll, is nobody paying attention to you?
You bear false witness. And you indulge in personal attacks.
I can tell you’re very lonely. But I already have a date.
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