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'Amateur hour': Vatican conclave drama is one for the history books, experts say
NBC News ^ | 02/26/2013 | Tracy Connor

Posted on 02/26/2013 1:17:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy

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A lame-duck pope. A secret dossier. Rumors of a gay cabal. A cardinal accused of "inappropriate" behavior. The Vatican is in an uproar, and church scholars say there hasn't been this much drama surrounding a conclave since 1800, when Pope Pius VI died while being held prisoner by Napoleon. One Vatican watcher says you have to go back to 1730 — when Pope Benedict XIII's right-hand man fled Rome in disguise amid allegations of corruption — to find a conclave buffeted by this much scandal....

....The pope's historic Feb. 11 announcement has been overshadowed, however, by an extraordinary wave of revelations and accusations. There were calls for cardinals accused of mishandling the sex-abuse crisis to abstain from voting. Then came a report that Britain's top cleric, Cardinal Keith O'Brien had been accused of bad behavior by priests, followed by his resignation on Monday. Over the weekend, the Vatican had to deny an Italian newspaper report that Pope Benedict abdicated because an internal probe into the so-called Vatileaks mess had uncovered a network of gay priests who were being blackmailed. Now comes the news that the pope will only let two people see the report on the document leaks — himself and his successor — despite calls for the Holy See to become more transparent....

"...the cardinals are going into the conclave blind, not knowing who among them may have stuffed their pockets or been part of gay sexual enclaves"

1 posted on 02/26/2013 1:17:35 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I saw this article earlier. I thought it was overblown nonsense then too.


2 posted on 02/26/2013 1:24:23 PM PST by vladimir998
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Gee, you’d never guess this article came from NBC, would you. /s


4 posted on 02/26/2013 1:29:01 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Reese is a radical leftist who was actually removed from the editorship of the Jesuits’ rag (”America”), so why anybody would consult him, I can’t imagine. Except that he is the MSM’s favorite “Catholic.”

BXVI was seriously undermined by people like him, and I think a lot of people realize this, even without the report. If there’s a housecleaning, it’s not going to favor people like Reese.

Supposedly, btw, Cardinal O’Brien (who was appointed by JPII, not by Benedict) was the result of an error. There were two Bishop O’Briens in Scotland (the other one being very orthodox) and JPII’s secretary, a Pole with a lot of consonants in his name, sent the notice to the wrong one.


5 posted on 02/26/2013 1:29:24 PM PST by livius
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Yes, there has been an obsession with all things Roman Catholic here for a long time.


6 posted on 02/26/2013 1:35:09 PM PST by DManA
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Are other Christian churches secretive and full of palace intrigue and deep hidden historical mysteries and institutional concealment, I know that Mormonism is, and Scientology, but are there normal religions or Christian denominations that are like this?

Why is there a private face, and a public face, for church people?


7 posted on 02/26/2013 1:41:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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Welcome sinners.

All of you are welcome to the fullness of Jesus Christ’s Church.


8 posted on 02/26/2013 1:45:24 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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Why is there a private face, and a public face, for church people?

LOL! Doe the words two-faced and duplicitous mean anything?

9 posted on 02/26/2013 1:45:49 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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The only face is Jesus Christ’s face.

Welcome Home.

http://www.catholicscomehome.org/


10 posted on 02/26/2013 1:52:53 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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Catholics Come Home to Christ
11 posted on 02/26/2013 2:02:33 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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Are other Christian churches secretive and full of palace intrigue and deep hidden historical mysteries and institutional concealment

Only the ones with members who are sinners.

12 posted on 02/26/2013 2:21:08 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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the Rev. Thomas Reese, an expert on the Catholic Church an heretic forced to resign as editor of America because of his anti-Catholic diatribes at Georgetown University.

There. Fixed it.

13 posted on 02/26/2013 2:27:37 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Campion

All members of all churches are sinners, so it isn’t that, is there any other Christian denomination that is secretive, institutionally hidden from view, and that has a public face, and a private face?


14 posted on 02/26/2013 2:29:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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Never saw such a DISGUSTING article at a time when the Church is going through a very major transition.


15 posted on 02/26/2013 2:47:04 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: rbmillerjr

All of us are sinners in need of a savior and that is Jesus.


16 posted on 02/26/2013 2:51:04 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

John 17, that ALL believers in Christ will be ONE.


17 posted on 02/26/2013 2:53:15 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ansel12
Are you being obtuse? Let me lay it out for you:

is there any other Christian denomination that is secretive, institutionally hidden from view, and that has a public face, and a private face?

Yes: all of them. The technical term is "politics".

18 posted on 02/26/2013 2:54:25 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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http://www.ewtn.com/tv/live/journeyhome.asp

Former Anglican priest tells former Presbyterian reverend why “those deep in christian history...cease to be Protestant.”


19 posted on 02/26/2013 2:59:40 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Campion

I wasn’t being obtuse, your post just wasn’t very clear.

I’ve never noticed what you just claimed, regular churches seem open and non-mysterious, and without a walled off base somewhere that lives in secrecy and isolation, and which has it’s own private operations within the institution and it’s permanent leadership elites, and then a public face that it presents outside the walls.

I know that Mormonism does that, no one really knows what goes on with it’s Pope and the inner council of the holiest, and it has institutional secrecy and history, we know that there is a level of division between the deep, inner Mormon church, and regular Mormons and the public.


20 posted on 02/26/2013 3:05:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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