Skip to comments.The Word In Your Mouth And Heart
Posted on 03/01/2013 1:10:48 PM PST by Frank Broom
The word belongs in two places in your mouth and in your heart. Because whatever gets into your heart and mouth will make it's way into your life. Jesus said it this way, "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." Because your heart and mouth are doorways for things to come into your life and also out of your life. Because Jesus also said, "For verily I say unto you, If ye have faith(in your heart) as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove: and nothing shall be impossible unto you." That mountain can represent a problem in your life. Notice in both of those scriptures your heart and mouth are involved. Notice what Jesus said in Revelation 3:20, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock; if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." What door is he knocking at, the door of your heart(spirit). Jesus (the word) wants to come into your heart, so there is a door of your heart. But, also notice what David said in Psalm 141:3, "Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips." So there is also a door of your mouth. Notice a door serves two purpose as an entrance and an exit. So things are coming into and out of your life when you know how to work your mouth and heart together. I believe David tapped into that when he said, "Let the words of my mouth, and the meditations of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer." But, notice the heart and mouth working together.
The door of your heart is a doorway into your spirit and once something is in your spirit and you open the door of your mouth that thing is released into your life. Jesus said that this way, "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things." Take salvation for instance, with your heart you believe and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. You work your heart and mouth together and salvation shows up in your life. It's with the heart you believe and with the mouth you speak. So, it's not just speaking and it's not just believing, but both working together. When the word enters you it first works on you (renewing the mind and bringing faith to your heart) and after it works on you now it's ready to be released into your life and work on your situations. So, any word of God that you can get in your heart and speak out of your mouth will make it's way into your life. Let's take Mary for instance an angel brought Mary a word "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS." And Mary believed that word and not just believed, but she also spoke, "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word." And Jesus showed up and we can live according to the words she believed and spoke. When that outside word became an inside word and she spoke it Jesus came in the earth. How about the woman with the issue of blood she heard about Jesus and according to what she heard she said, "If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole." And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus said, "Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole." So by her heart and mouth working together healing came into her life. So, if you have a situation in your life put the word in your mouth and heart and keep it there and watch the word work (Hebrews 6:12 Isaiah 55:11).
Great stuff! Christianity is easy (the way of transgressors is hard). We have one focus and one task: Get close to Jesus. How do we do that? Get to know Him. How do we do that? Read and meditate on His word, because the Word and Jesus are one. If we do that, we fulfill as the requirements of being a Spirit lead Christian: Love God, love our neighbor. Because Christ lives in and through us. As ye have received Christ, so walk ye in him.
It’s the exchanged life Hudson Taylor discovered. It’s the solution to all our internal and external problems.
IMO, not so “great stuff”. Your hermeneutic smears the edges of all kinds of passages. Have you ever moved a mountain with a word in your mouth? The point of Jesus’ remarks was that men don’t have that important ingredient in their hearts...faith. That is why you cannot do this. But, go ahead and try. We will await the result.
Some of the material here may be good, but it is lost in the weeds.
Good Word! Praise God!
God SPOKE the world into existence and said it was good!
YES!! Whatever obstacle in my way is a mountain.
The point of Jesus remarks was that men dont have that important ingredient in their hearts...faith.
If that's the way you interpret it, perhaps God is showing 'you' something?
Jesus didnt say the reason they couldnt cast the demon out was because they didnt have any faith. They did have faith. Thats why they were confused and asked this question. They had cast demons out before (Luke 9:1-6) and expected positive results this time, but they didnt get them.
It is possible to have faith but not see that faith produce the desired result because UNBELIEF negates or counteracts faith.
God NEVER says anything that cannot be done. "I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me". If one doesn't believe it, the problem rests with them and NOT God's Word - EVER.
Faith grows as we use it - much like a muscle.
Thank you. I enjoyed this.
No, sir, you have not moved a mountain. You may think you have solved problems, or resolved conflicts, or dealt with some other difficult matters and doing so constitutes "moving mountains", but you have never moved a mountain. When you have done so, get back to us.
"God NEVER says anything that cannot be done. "I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me". If one doesn't believe it, the problem rests with them and NOT God's Word - EVER."
And, if you think that Paul meant "all things" as in lift the Empire State building, then you have demonstrated a complete disregard for the context of these writings. You are dangerous.
Your fanciful hermeneutic allows for the Bible to be teaching most anything. It does not. However, those for whom its message is hidden will claim all sort of kooky understandings. Your work is in that category. I suggest you take a long course in good biblical interpretation. However, God may not permit you to see any clearer than you do now.
YES I have and do it daily! Sorry, to hear your life is so difficult.
When you have done so, get back to us.
You mean you, not us. Who would ever want to get back to the faithless? "Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to HIM must believe that He exists and that HE rewards those who earnestly seek HIM." Heb 11:6
And, if you think that Paul meant "all things" as in lift the Empire State building, then you have demonstrated a complete disregard for the context of these writings. You are dangerous.
God has not put the desire in me to lift the Empire State building as it wouldn't give HIM glory. Why would something of destruction come to your mind? Destruction comes from the evil one. REPENT and CHOOSE LIFE! If not, one goes into default mode which is death/destruction.
Your fanciful hermeneutic allows for the Bible to be teaching most anything. It does not.
And yours hermeneutic shows a complete lack of faith. God's Word teaches what HE wants us to know through the Holy Spirit. Believe, repent and then get caught up. Your choice!
However, those for whom its message is hidden will claim all sort of kooky understandings. Your work is in that category.
There is nothing hidden - only to those void of the Spirit and that is where you fit in.
"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:16
One void of The Spirit making a suggestion? LOL!! I suggest you take a long course in good biblical interpretation. I see where the long course got you. Get your money back!
However, God may not permit you to see any clearer than you do now.
I see the have and the have nots and the reason why!
"But He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for MY power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me." 2 Corinthians 12:9
Thank YOU, JESUS!!
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WOW! I quoted Scripture and you say it's made up material, ear-tickling junk? You WILL have to answer for that someday for It Is Written.
And what's the anger about? It's that sorry life you have and that makes you name call, also. Just more proof of what Scripture says about the ones WITHOUT THE SPIRIT.
CHOOSE LIFE! Repent! Become born again and filled with The Spirit! And get your money back from that long course - that was a bad CHOICE as the results are horrible.
It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if YOU can do anything, take pity on us and help us. Mark 9:22
Then Jesus said to him, "'If You can? EVERYTHING is possible to the one who BELIEVES." Mark 9:23
JESUS said it. The difference between you and me, is I BELIEVE JESUS so I 'HAVE', you 'have not' and that's where your anger and sorry life comes from. Your CHOICE.
"You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out." Deuteronomy 28:6
I am blessed and I KNOW IT! I chose LIFE/Blessings! Thank YOU, Jesus! The default position is death/curses/powerless.
"HE who is in me is greater than he who is in the world!"
Now stay away from tall buildings, it seems you have a fetish for them. Miss the 'destroyed' twin towers?
"As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, Isaiah 55:10
"So shall MY WORD be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isaiah 55:11
What a heavenly Father we have! The JOY we get from reading and obeying HIS WORD.
Your churlish responses are as poorly organized as your unbiblical hermeneutic. Those of us who have been born from above don’t believe nonsensical, homemade theological constructs fit only for the cults.
But, again, you actually claim to be some kind of self-aggrandizing superhero. Well, prove it. If your utterly ridiculous hermeneutic supports a belief Jesus meant that you can do anything, if you just believe, then pay off the national debt this afternoon. Write God’s name in the sky 40 miles high. Move a real mountain.
If you are correct, then you should be able to move the real mountain, not just a figurative mountain. If you cannot, why not? Don’t you believe Jesus?
"NOW faith is the substance of things hope for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN." Heb. 11:1.
The "NOW" that is written is the "BUT NOW" of Ephesians 2:13. We do not walk by sight NOW, but by faith. Our conversation is in the heavenlies, where Christ is seated by God the Father. We are to look UP, not around, for our faith. This does not mean that God does not answer prayers, or provide miracles NOW. It DOES mean that He performs them according to His will, not our commands. He does not have "healers" that operate in this age of grace. THere is no man that is greater than another in this age. We are all equal and everything that He does is according to His good will and reasons. Not because some man claims God heals through him.
I think Satan said things very similar to that when he was trying to temp Jesus. That post was just plain soul chilling.
OK, so tell me why I haven’t been healed yet.
I’ve been prayed for and anointed time without count. What’s up?
Yes. GOD did speak the world into existence. We do not have the power to speak creative miracles.
If God heals in a response to prayer, it's HIS power, not ours.
Sorry, pnsn, I am sick and tired of being told that I’m not healed because I don’t have enough faith.
That is a very destructive theology to the faith of a person struggling with some physical issue who hasn’t seen the manifestation of their healing.
It’s very condemning and judgmental. No one can say why another person has not been healed, as healing is God’s responsibility, but to claim that anyone knows why that healing hasn’t occurred, especially with something like an accusation of lack of faith, is reprehensible.
Jesus never failed to heal, nor did HE ever tell someone that they weren’t healed because of their lack of faith.
It can be very destructive to someone whose faith is weak.
Those accusations at one time in my Christian walk gave me an awful time. It provides much fodder for demonic attack.
I am well past that now. I am still not healed and RF guidelines prohibit me from expressing my opinion on that kind of theology.
The problems with the name it and claim it theology are many.
For one thing, Jesus qualifies the asking with abiding in Him and His word abiding in us. When we are abiding in Him, then we will know His will, then be able to ask in accordance with it and we WILL see the answer.
The other is that John tells us we need to ask according to HIS will and way too many times, people don’t seek out what God’s will is. They just presume it based on some bad theology.
But this theology of just spewing out pronouncements off the cuff and then trying to twist God’s arm into complying with our demands is that it is tantamount to blackmailing God using His word against Him, to force His hand. I’ve seen too many people who claim what they want to hear or what they think would best glorify God without consulting HIM and then claiming verses out of context to demand God move.
I’ve had more people than I can count, ignorantly - without ANY knowledge of my situation or what I’ve been through, what I’ve tried, what I’ve considered, etc, announce the cause and solution to my problems based on a 5 minute conversation. They are not only doing a disservice to the body of Christ, in some cases, they can just about shipwreck someone’s faith. It can be very damaging to someone who is already suffering and struggling.
The two best responses are *I’ll pray for you* (with no qualifications) and *If there’s anything I can do to help, let me know*. Don’t be condescending, don’t preach, don’t spout platitudes, don’t quote Scripture verses. Don’t pretend you have all the answers, because you don’t and the suffering person knows that. (not you personally smvoice)
God did not give His word and gifts to the church to spend on ourselves but for ministering to others and building up the body of Christ.
WRONG! YOU claim it, those are your words. Now you do your homework.
And I see you still haven't gotten over your angst and sorry life, yet. I can't help you and neither did your long course, obviously. You didn't CHOOSE wisely even though you were given the answer. Failing in that and then battling against TRUTH will get you no where you want to be.
a belief Jesus meant that you can do anything, if you just believe, then pay off the national debt this afternoon. Write Gods name in the sky 40 miles high. Move a real mountain.
What happened to your 'tower/tall building' fetish? Now it's on to money. What's next?
The desire of my heart is not to do 'anything' - ONLY what pleases and gives honor to GOD. Just like JESUS showed us when He walked the earth. I am very happy to disappoint you and will continue to move 'mountains' that are in my way to do what needs to be done - for It Is Written.
While doing homework I assigned you, search out the Power of The Spirit of God. Your fetish for towers and money will soon dissipate.
If you are correct, then you should be able to move the real mountain, not just a figurative mountain. If you cannot, why not?
It's not about me but The Word and The Spirit within. Like I said earlier, I take my direction from God and not from some unbeliever. Now why can't you understand that, it's certainly simple enough - even for an unbeliever to 'get'. You haven't even risen to a small pebble when it comes to what needs to be moved - more like sand beneath my feet. Child's play.
Dont you believe Jesus?
You betcha! ALL THE TIME! And no devil in hell can make me believe anyone else; however, it's you who doesn't believe so it's homework time for you while there is still daylight even though you prefer dark.
Meanwhile, I have 'mountains' to move with the authority given to me as a born again believer. Thank YOU, JESUS!
I thought/felt the same as I read it and got the visual of Jesus on the high mountain being showed what he could have/do - ‘if you are..’. And then read your post. It’s not too subtle where ‘that post’ came from.
I never told you that.
Jesus never failed to heal, nor did HE ever tell someone that they werent healed because of their lack of faith.
I know you believe Jesus, so why listen to others about yourself? God has given us all the measure of faith and HE didn't miss anyone, much less you - a mighty warrior!
The Lord didnt say Pray for the sick. He said Heal the sick (Matthew 10:8 and Luke 9:2) with His power that was within them.
Of course, it's HIS power. Man can't heal a gnat.
Is there a separate book for that theology? Or is that what you are doing; naming your disease or allergy and claiming that's what you have?
But this theology of just spewing out pronouncements off the cuff and then trying to twist Gods arm into complying with our demands is that it is tantamount to blackmailing God using His word against Him, to force His hand.
Where is that theology in His Word? Where did someone that was healed - first twist God's arm? Who blackmailed Him/forced Him to heal them? What word of HIS is being used against HIM? Where are you getting this stuff from? Didn't Jesus do just what was The Father's Will and not someone else's? Didn't HE say I only do what the Father shows Me to do and The Father and He are one? Didn't He show us it was The Father's Will to heal over and over, again?
Ive seen too many people who claim what they want to hear or what they think would best glorify God without consulting HIM and then claiming verses out of context to demand God move.
Hate to disappoint you, or rather remind you - It Is Finished. Jesus took on HIM all the healing and all the sins 2000 years ago, so no one can demand Him to move. I believe Jesus is very comfortable now sitting at the right Hand of His Father after taking on everything for us which was The Father's Will.
"HE was pierced for our transgressions/rebellion, HE was crushed for our iniquities/sins; the punishment that brought us peace was upon HIM, and by HIS wounds we are healed."
It's now our time to BELIEVE Him and then be THANKFUL for 'everything' HE already did for us.
Ive seen too many people who claim what they want to hear or what they think would best glorify God without consulting HIM and then claiming verses out of context to demand God move.
Perhaps, 'they' already know - because they did consult HIM - HIS WORD. And 'they' know what glorifies GOD and that is to BELIEVE HIM first. HE said He died for my sins, I BELIEVE HIM. HE said His wounds healed me, I BELIEVE HIM.
NOW, I do NOT have to be in heaven first for me to know I am saved NOR do I need to 'see/feel' a healing before I KNOW I am healed.
And no unbelief either with 'I know Jesus heals but will HE heal me - so pray for me.' Nope. I did pray with one nurse who believed like me and she asked if she could agree with me in prayer. It was a simple prayer of thanks on what Jesus already did and that I welcomed joyfully.
You, as a mom, prepares a banquet for your children/family which requires planning, shopping, cooking and cleaning and you tell your children/family what you have done for them and you know they heard you.
What do you do if they sit in the other room and tell you they are hungry but never come to the banquet? Would you expect them to consult you to see 'if it were your will' that they come to eat? Would you feel honored or glorified if they did that OR would you think they never listened or believed you? Or, perhaps they thought it was cold now and they expected you to do it all over again - just for them.
Personally, I'm sick and tired of reading about those who think God is holding something from them. Meanwhile with their own mouth they say they are sick while Jesus SAID they are healed. How's that for not believing? He didn't say we would never be sick but HE did say HE healed us. And HE healed us because He already knew we all would incur illness of some sort sometime. And HE knows you and hears you. And you have all the faith you will ever need.
Ive had more people than I can count, ignorantly - without ANY knowledge of my situation or what Ive been through, what Ive tried, what Ive considered, etc, announce the cause and solution to my problems based on a 5 minute conversation.
And you listened to these 5 minute conversations over and over again - why? And more people than you can count? Exaggeration?
They are not only doing a disservice to the body of Christ, in some cases, they can just about shipwreck someones faith. It can be very damaging to someone who is already suffering and struggling.
I doubt their thought was about the Body of Christ. Shipwreck someone's faith that already knows JESUS - I'd say that is an exaggeration. And, perhaps, they themselves were also suffering and struggling - it's certainly not an oddity to find someone who isn't in some way. For sure, Paul didn't shipwreck anyone's faith nor was damaging anyone while, he himself was stoned or tied in a jail cell, etc, etc. I don't think whatever they said or did to him ever damaged him while he spread the good news and healed others.
The two best responses are *Ill pray for you* (with no qualifications) and *If theres anything I can do to help, let me know*.
What more do you expect from anyone? They could have ignored you or flipped you off. Then what, no one cares?
Dont be condescending, dont preach, dont spout platitudes, dont quote Scripture verses. Dont pretend you have all the answers, because you dont and the suffering person knows that.
NO ONE has ALL the answers but JESUS does. And I BELIEVE HIM, do you?
And don't talk about suffering, you don't have the monopoly on that. I was given up on but 'somehow' survived. That's a good way of making a long story short. And then back to the hospital for something else - only to have them send me home to die because I would not follow 'their orders' which was their prescribed treatment. Yes, I could have had their 'plan B' if I choose to, but I kept to MY PLAN 'A' to BELIEVE Jesus, no matter what they said. Their plan was kidney dialysis for life and cut of my 10 toes or continue suffering w/the pain in feet and it will continue up my legs and be dead in six months because of kidneys. And that included multiple visits from their shrinks because something must be wrong with me (now I have a mental disease? by man's reasoning) - since they told me I would die without 'their help' if I wouldn't succumb to their wishes. I did teach/preach to them by telling them what Jesus already did for me as I thought some were Jewish and non believers. Now I'm thinking they could have been Christians! Silly me! They believed their tests findings (no surprise, that's all they are taught to know), I BELIEVED Jesus (no surprise, that's all I care to know).
Right after they released me for the second time - I was back for the 3rd time straight from the dr's office because of an infection on what was only a follow up of another 'disease'. (Satan didn't know enough to give up but I knew enough NOT to give up). Kinda cool when you KNOW you have the victory already. I had surgery in my room since no operating rm was available. Nothing given to bear the pain as he kept digging the infection out and was alarmed when he found it went as far as my bone. It become a name - MRSA! And I was warned because of my kidneys they couldn't give me strong enough medication in the IV - so I should just cross my fingers when they put me in the 'quarantined room'. I found that as an answer to prayer as I had my family bring in my worship CD's. Door closed and no one to bother me or me bother them as I praised God - no constant gurneys for testing, no meal trays in/out, no constant checking, no shrinks or dr's warning me/family I will die if I don't...or nurses ignoring me because they felt I didn't want to 'get well' - just my doc with mask and robe to change the bandage and I helped him and we always ended up laughing, me telling him it's not enough salve, he telling me I'm cutting the tape too short - we both did it in fun. I told him if he 'catches' it, he will be healed. So the 3rd trip to the hospital was a breeze considering the two prior. He said I would make a great assistant for him but.... (He already heard I was to be dead w/in six months but still hoping I would listen to them before it was too late.) In fact, on the follow up he said 'it's good to see you' and I said the same back to him. He came over close to my face, 'you don't understand, you should be dead that's why it's good to see you'. He was serious but I smiled and said, 'I know'.
I didn't plan to bring up 'my woes' but with your sentence at the end of your post warranted it Dont pretend you have all the answers, because you dont and the suffering person knows that.(not you personally smvoice)
So you can drop the suffering person guilt. Been there, bought the T and according to 'man' my family should have bought the coffin. So no preaching from me; after all, what do I know/what did I go through with a smile in my heart. You have the same Word as I do - so you have it all. So not sure what your beef is.
Hopefully, it's not the four+ major attacks on my body within a short time and the subsequent healings that manifested. After all, the lights in heaven didn't even flicker with that much power being released as that power was already accounted for 2000 years ago.
Reminder: There was a thread about you having MRSA and I prayed in thanksgiving to God for your healing when I read it - that what HE did for me, He would do for you. So I believed HIM/His Word for you. When we come home do we feel tip top - NO. But I KNEW you were already healed of MRSA. Praise God!
So not to worry, all I have is BELIEF in what Jesus already did, so I can't give you what you don't want.....Dont be condescending, dont preach, dont spout platitudes, dont quote Scripture verses. Dont pretend you have all the answers, because you dont.
I don't have all the answers but I believe I have it all - as all I want is JESUS - and I do. And HE has all the answers and HE said He will never leave nor forsake me and I BELIEVE HIM and He said He knows my needs before I even ask and I BELIEVE HIM. So what is left but to Thank HIM! Thank YOU, JESUS!
Read some of the other responses around here. Only the kooks line up behind you. Jesus is not one of them.
When I had the MRSA, He told me Himself that I was healed from that. And I had no problems about faith with that, but it wasn't that I was *claiming it* but rather that HE told ME.
And for the record, aside from an occasional tingle of itching of discomfort when I really exert myself, and the scars, there is not a trace of any residual anything left.
But still, basically what you've said in that whole long post is that people aren't healed because they don't have enough faith.
Do I know that God CAN heal me? Absolutely.
Do I know that He will? Maybe some day. What I do know is that He has not yet and when I am healed, I WILL know it. I don't read of an instance in Scripture where people were healed and didn't know it.
And all this nonsense about me being already healed and I just have to believe it's so and the symptoms are just a lie of the enemy has ZERO Scriptural support, so I don't even want to hear it. Unless you can provide chapter and verse to support that contention, I don't consider that it's true and dismiss it as the lie it is.
*Experience* has no more credibility in my book than *tradition*.
..so you believe, pnsn, that lack of healing, signs, wonders and miracles today, are the result of a person not having enough faith? Or spirituality? Please take a walk through 1 Corinthians, and get back to me. That would specifically be 1 COr. 3:1, 3:3, 5:1, 6:7,8, 9:11-14, 11:21,22, 5:2. THis same church at the same time ABOUNDED in miraculous gifts (1 Cor. 1:7, 2:8-11, 14:12,18,26). Explain this to me as soon as you can come up with some kind of reasoned Biblical argument. Thank you.
Okay, that's gonna leave a mark. Great question.
Im not sure what youre going after there smvoice. The majority of the Corinthian church obviously were faithful and exhibited the gifts but there were individuals who he was singling out who were doing wrong.
The Corinthians were written to by Paul BEFORE Israel is set aside, while GOd is still dealing with them as a nation, and offering them the times of refreshing if they would accept Christ as their Messiah. Which is what signs, wonders and miracles were all about, in the first place. Acts 2. And Joel 2:28. Paul and the Gentiles had these same gifts in order to CONFIRM Peter's message of the Kingdom and to prove to Jews everywhere that "Jesus is the Christ". This offer of the Kingdom, made at Pentecost, was not OFFICIALLY withdrawn until Acts 28:28. That is why we find miraculous confirmations of Christ's kingdom rights to both Jews and Gentiles.
So, what happens after Acts 28:28? Read Rom. 8:22,23, 2 Cor. 4:16, 2 Cor. 12:7, 1 Cor. 2:3, Gal. 4:13, 2 Coar. 22:29, Phil.2:25-27, 2 Tim. 4:20, 1 Tim. 5:23, 2 Cor 12:9. You can see clearly with these passages that healings, miracles, signs, and wonders were ALREADY passing off the scene.
"NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN." Heb. 11:1.
God is NOT using men to perform healings or miracles today. It is by God's will that He heals. NOT because someone claimed something, or demanded something, or was touched by someone,, or anything else that men have refused to understand in God's plan for the body of Christ and the dispensation of Grace.
See, I knew you could do it. Thank you. People need to hear that. It answers so many question people have about what scripture says and what they see today. Most, yes most, do not understand the difference in how God deals with people after the 483 years when Christ was crucified and Jerusalem was destroyed per Daniels prophecy. The church today is not dealt with like the church was prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. The last seven years of Daniels prophesied 490 years will again be different than today.
Faith grows as we use it - much like a muscle.
Baloney. That is not a Scriptural teaching as all.
Jesus told us that all we needed was faith the size of a mustard seed to move mountains.
Both are unscriptural teachings. If we have faith, we don't have unbelief. That's just stupid to claim that we can have both.
It's not the faith that heals us anyway, it's God. That's what makes the faith effective. It's not the size of our faith, it's the size of the God we have the faith in, which is why mustard seed sized faith can work, because we have a creator and sustainer of the universe sized God.
The whole emphasis on in the name it and claim it theology is in the wrong thing. Name it and claim it types put their faith in their faith. The rest of us put our faith in God.
Thanks for your wonderful insight on Scripture.
So much makes so much more sense with your explanations.
The modern day charismatic movement keeps trying to convince people that we’re in a second outpouring of the Holy Spirit and even quote that passage in Joel that Peter quoted in Acts 2 to support it, but that passage in Joel has already been fulfilled and there is no indication that it is meant for the end times, or the time just before the rapture.
Ping to post 18 which you have not answered yet.
It’s easy to notice that you’ve responded to those who support your thread and ignore those who don’t.
Would you care to answer the question or remain just another hit and run poster?
I cannot help but notice that the most Godly and Spirit filled believers that I know are those who have had to endure some of the most debilitating circumstances. The fruit of the Spirit is clearly evident in their lives.
Those who claim to be *Spirit filled* simply because they speak in tongues don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s not evidence of the filling of the Spirit. It’s a gift given for the edification of the body, not for personal indulgence. Tongues is not a sign for believers but for unbelievers. 1 Corinthians 14:22
>> “OK, so tell me why I havent been healed yet.” <<
If you want your answer in great detail, there is a book available at www.beinhealth.com exploring this very question. The title of the book is “A More Excellent Way” by Henry Wright.
The short answer is that either you or possibly one or more of your immediate ancestors has placed a block to healing, or by your thoughts and or spoken words you have bought into Satan’s lies and allowed the curse of disease into your life.
The book is, outside of the word of God itself, the most worthy of your time to read it.
>> “God is NOT using men to perform healings or miracles today.” <<
One could not possibly utter a more false statement than that.
People that fully accept and understand God’s word are performing creative works of healing every day. But not all healing requires such a creative work.
To achieve the guaranteed healing that was paid for by Yeshua’s broken body, one must remove the curse that caused the disease. If the curse remains, the disease MUST remain, because God is a just God.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
AMEN! Very important advice, metmom! Nobody can know how God is working in another person's life. Some of us haven't a clue how he's working in our own, much less think we can tell someone else what He's doing in theirs. What we CAN know from God's word is that He IS working individually in each life, on HIS terms, according to HIS will, purpose and plan. It is the height of arrogance to presume to command Almighty God according to our own timetable or understanding. We also have no idea how God is using suffering, trials and temptation in someone else's life to strengthen their faith, discipline disobedience or work through them to reach the lost.
What we CAN be assured of is that God ALWAYS does what is right. We can trust Him to work ALL things for our good when we love Him and are called according to His purpose. God ALWAYS answers our prayers. Our problem is that we expect the answer to always be YES and NOW! Sometimes the answer is YES but sometimes it is NO or NOT NOW, WAIT. I think one of the most crucial benefits of suffering in a Christian's life is that it teaches us to trust God regardless of our outward circumstances. As Paul said he learned that in whatever state he was in, therewith to be content. THAT is genuine faith!
The short answer is that either you or possibly one or more of your immediate ancestors has placed a block to healing, or by your thoughts and or spoken words you have bought into Satans lies and allowed the curse of disease into your life.
Chapter and verse? I hear that a lot but there is no Scriptural support for it at all. I don't buy into theories and philosophies that have no Scriptural support.
Jesus healed. Period, end of story. He didn't psychoanalysis them. Didn't tell them it was anyone else's fault, that it was *generational curses*, or whatever nonsense is the current blame on the afflicted for why they weren't healed, tell them to clean up their lives and get back to Him.
The problem is that nobody is going to be blaming God, so they look for a scapegoat of why God isn't performing as they think He should. That turns it back onto the person who is sick.
Then it's all this time and effort wasted chasing down all this nonsense, which results in people getting their eyes off Jesus, the Author and Perfector of our faith and onto themselves, their circumstances, their ancestors, the enemy, everywhere but on Jesus.
It's a great tactic on the enemy's part of making legalists of people.
If healing is part and parcel with salvation, then it is apprehended in the same manner. Salvation is by faith, then healing is by faith. If healing is by works, then salvation is by works.
I am saved by faith. If I didn't and don't have to clean up my act, get rid of generational curses, etc. to be saved, then I don't to be healed. When people came to Jesus in Scripture, He healed them, simply for the asking.
It's not salvation by faith, healing by works.
God gave the prescription for healing in James. Go to the elders and be anointed with oil.
The long and short of it all is that I know many Godly Spirit filled people who struggle with physical affliction in their bodies, way too many to validate Wrights theology.
Additionally, I personally know many people who have read his book and some who have been to his seminar with me, who have not been healed. Matter of fact, NONE of whom have been healed by his method.
I do not discount the connection between mind and body, BUT God cannot reduced to a formula, nor can healing.
God told Paul that His grace was sufficient for his sufferings, his thorn in the flesh.
Paul advised Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach’s sake? What? Did Timothy have sin in his ,life? Generational curses? There wasn’t anyone around with the gift of healing to pray for Timothy and knock him over?
Same for Trophimus Paul left sick in Miletus? Say what?!?!?!
Paul left someone sick? The same Paul whose handkerchiefs and aprons were taken to sick people and they were healed?
The Corinthian church, the same one which had such problems with sin in its midst, was one where the gifts abounded. What happened to sin in our lives hampering healing? That blows THAT theology out of the water.
Having a charism (gift) does not equate to character. See Balaam. The heart determines how tools are used, likewise gifts.
There are two extremes here, one being that all the sign gifts have ceased, and while not disallowing that God can heal, it does not see that as provided for in the atonement, and does not wait in faith for deliverance and healing according to God’s will and timing.
“And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judæa, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them. “ (Luke 5:17)
O the other side are those who teach that it is not God’s will that any Christian should suffer and that lack of deliverance or healing, or remaining in need after prayer, is always due to lack of faith, even to the point of claiming persecuted Christians remain in suffering due to lack of faith, and tend to slight members of their church who do not see healing, as they challenges their theology. (And yet the preachers of it typically example living more by entreaties for money than by Biblical faith.)
But the Bible is a book of balance, and it is obvious both that God heals and delivers by faith, and also calls us to endure sufferings by faith, even if it continues till death.
There is a very important word regarding this in the Hebrew “hall of faith, “ that being “others:”
“Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
And OTHERS had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: “ (Hebrews 11:33-39)
A lack of obedience and faith can indeed be blamed for not being delivered and lack of victory or healing or being in need,
“Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. “ (Psalms 78:41)
“And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. “ (2 Corinthians 10:6)
Yet God can allow afflictions and trials of long continuance, and thus even the apostle Paul was not given deliverance from his thorn in the flesh, and which was not persecution.
“And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. “ (2 Corinthians 12:7-10)
Thus Paul remained afflicted and rejoiced in having necessities, as that worked to having real victory. It is my observation that believers who see great manifestations of God’s providence and deliverance, healing, have also latter experienced financial needs, etc, or prolonged sickness, sometimes unto death, even though they lived by the same faith and obedience as before.
David Wilkerson suffered from diverticulitis and recurrent shingles if i recall. I personally know of a holy couple who were instruments of healing for others, including a Christian brother or mine, yet he recently died after a prolonged (years) of debilitating dementia and others problems, though i am sure they continued to believed in Divine healing and waited for it. But i am sure God will reward the wife for her selfless constant care and suffering in so doing during those years, which was a trial of faith.
For God has a greater priority than our health and prosperity, that being conformity to Christ and rewarding us, and which requires faith both for deliverance, and to endure trials without losing faith, even if it unto death, which is the final deliverance for the saints.
“And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. “ (Romans 8:17)
“If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: “ (2 Timothy 2:12)
Thus we should continue to believe for deliverance, and endure by faith till it comes, even if it is by death of this “vile” body.
A preacher I’ve heard gave the example of two women who went for prayer for healing from cancer. One was healed, the other not.
So he asked, who had the greater faith? The one who was healed or the one who wasn’t but still loved and followed Jesus, not having received from Him what she asked for?
God is not a sugar daddy, nor is healing a barometer of the amount of faith one has.
Again, faith the size of a mustard seed is enough to move mountains according to Jesus. Because it’s not the size of the faith that makes it effective, but rather the size of the God we have the faith in.
Thanks daniel, for that post. Excellent as usual.