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To: Dr. Thorne

Could not agree more. For those who would see, it is quite clear what is coming to the RCC. This is one of the greatest problems with papal infallibility. When anyone else (other than a pope) tells you something patently false, their opinion on other issues is diminished and so is their ability to lead others astray.

A pope on the other hand can be wrong on multiple issues and continue to do great harm. I pray I am wrong but I see a huge schism coming. If the next Pope pushes such things, People will be forced to choose and it will be a terrible choice.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 1:09:52 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: 1malumprohibitum; Dr. Thorne
This is one of the greatest problems with papal infallibility.

For the benefit of those who do not know, would you be so kind as to define Papal Infallibility. Thank you.

17 posted on 03/03/2013 1:29:36 PM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
Do you realize how rare it is for a pope to speak infallibly, under the terms of ex cathedra?

From wikipedia:

The clearest example (though not the only one)[5] of the use of this power, referred to as speaking ex cathedra[6] expressed since the solemn declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I on July 18, 1870, took place in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as being an article of faith for Roman Catholics.[7]

My point is not the content of the infallible declaration, with which you undoubtedly disagree, but the rarity of occurrence.

That said, due to prophecies ascribed to St. Malachy (correctly or incorrectly), some Catholics also are on the alert for the election of a pope who promulgates false doctrine, and if such actually occurs many will bail from that particular "pope" (not from their faith) in short order.

Back to infallibility, the pope, when not speaking under the strict conditions that define infallibility, is often right, but not always:

The limitation on the pope's infallibility "on other matters" is frequently illustrated by Cardinal James Gibbons's recounting how the pope mistakenly called him Jibbons

19 posted on 03/03/2013 2:09:20 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

There seems to be a problem with understanding exactly what ‘papal infallibility’ actually entails. Every utterance of the Pope is not infallible. The decisions that are considered ‘infallible’ are not made by the Pope alone, but along with the Magesterium, which includes all the Bishops in the world, and only after much prayer and thought.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 6:08:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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