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To: NYer
I just stopped reading at the quote of 2 Tim 3:16-17. It amazes me that the subtle changes in the wording of scripture that the RCC uses aren’t a cause for alarm for those who choose to follow.

The quote used for 2 Tim 3:17 is “so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” Actually the Greek words used are “artios” which means “complete” and “exērtismenos” which means “fully equipped”. Changing the words to “competent” and leaving out the “fully equipped” changes the meaning of the verse. We find that all too often in the RCC version of scripture.

Those in the Catholic Church need to beware.

39 posted on 03/08/2013 4:14:36 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: CynicalBear
Reading the whole chapter sheds light on the last verse.

2 Timothy 3
1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress.
2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good,
4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.
6 For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses,
7 who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith;
9 but they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.
10 Now you have observed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness,
11 my persecutions, my sufferings, what befell me at Antioch, at Ico'nium, and at Lystra, what persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me.
12 Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
13 while evil men and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceivers and deceived.
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it
15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.



42 posted on 03/08/2013 9:04:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CynicalBear

“Those in the Catholic Church need to beware.”

Good advice. The Scripture quoted appears to be from the NAB, which I understand is since revised, and with which I have major disagreement. You may compare the Douay-Rheims for 2Tim 3:17 with the one quoted in the essay: (notice the modern strive for gender neutrality)

Douay-Rheims, Challoner (19th century)
17. that the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

Douay-Rheims, Challoner, Confraternity (20th century)
17. that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work.

New American Bible (USA) post Vatican II (1986)
17. so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

The Wikipedia entry for the Douay-Rheims is comprehensive and worth a look. They have a few comparisons of translations in early bibles. You may wish to check-out the link to St. Jerome, who translated Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic into Latin in the fourth century.


48 posted on 03/08/2013 11:54:06 PM PST by Daffy
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