Despite abortion views, Biden, Pelosi receive communion in Vatican Mass [Catholic Caucus]

They should have been excummunicated if anything. What a lie! The Catholic Church will not be blessed until it chases these types out!

it is more troubling that they’re apparently still allowed communion at their local parishes.

Which is in clear, continuing violation of Cardinal Ratzinger's 2004 document, "Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles" (see post #13 above.)

Hopefully, Pope Francis will make it a priority to see that, in compliance with the document above and Canon 915, this doesn't happen again, anywhere.

we agree fully!
(given how open and notorious, how long-continuing, and how potentially harmful these cases really are........)

we agree fully and completely

“This is troubling.”

Yes... As Catholic, I guess that opens the doors to anyone going to Confession regardless of Repentance.

If it’s OK for those two who have the blood of babies on their hands, I guess the level of sin that I would worry about is really nothing...

So if I miss Mass some Sunday - So what?

No reason I guess for someone who has been divorced and remarried not to go to Confession.

Lieing, stealing, cheating? No big deal.

Adultery and fornication. Not so bad anymore.

I really think this sends the wrong message to the faithful. It sure lowers the bar...

Exactly as I predicted.

Basically the rule is anybody can receive Communion under pretty much any circumstances. You can read canon law all day long, but when the rubber meats the road, pro-aborts are welcome in the Church.

“Some Catholics argue that politicians whose positions on abortion and contraception conflict with church teachings should not receive communion.”

“Some Catholics” would include Pope Francis, based on his earlier writings. Hopefully he will clamp down in time.

Pelosi seems to treat her Catholic Faith in the same way that she treats the Constitution. It’s a ‘living thing’ that she can interpret as she sees fit.

From what I have learned in my life as a Catholic... one can partake of the Sacrament- Communion, but it is an imperfect Sacrament if one does not truly repent of one’s sins. It basically is a lie.

This is troubling.

THANK GOD there were no pix of the Holy Father communicating them. In fact, THANK GOD there were no pix of them receiving.

I am interested to see what happens next. The Holy Father, while Archbishop of Buenos Aires made some fairly unambiguous statements about this situation (calling it Eucharistic Coherence). Perhaps a re-iteration of the statement in light of the application of Can. 915 may be forthocming in the next several months.

On the other hand, Jimmy Akin brought out an interesting point when he said:

And so he may have made a decision similar to the one that Jesus made in allowing Judas to come to the Last Supper, where the betrayer was not kicked out and would ultimately bear responsibilities for his actions before God.

The Holy Father has not hesitated to use the term "Judas" before...so this, too, might make for an interesting statement...if one was made.

After all, we all know what happened to the original Judas:

Then they have committed sacrilege. Not good.

Wuerl doesn’t get it. No, it’s not a weapon. But by not allowing them to receive it he would be protecting them from committing sacrilege.

I'm surprised. Either this Pope was blowing smoke when he said politicians who support abortion should be denied communion or he didn't know these two pagans aren't exactly that and someone who did know helped them insult the Church, the Pope, and Canon Law, right at the outset of this Pope's tenure.

Even if someone disagrees with the Pope on this they would have made sure there were either a statement of some sort in advance or that these people would be denied communion if they cared about the Church and the Pope.

Those are the only two alternatives. a) The rot in the Vatican hierarchy is so bad that they're working to publicly defame and embarrass this new Pope as soon as possible, and b) the new Pope is folding and directly contradicting himself the first time he's put to the test.

Which is not surprising when it's now obvious rather than suspect?

"The Holy Father has not hesitated to use the term "Judas" before...so this, too, might make for an interesting statement...if one was made."

So, average folks aided by the ever insightful and deep thinking media are going to notice subtle statements being made while the Church, the Pope,and Canon Law, are very visibly being beaten with a large mallet by a couple of cartoon characters like Biden and Pelosi, right?

Well, . . . . Ok.

Wow. Once again the Vatican genuflects to the death culture.

“Wuerl ... has said he would offer Pelosi communion despite her views on abortion because he didn’t believe communion should be used as a weapon”

That’s weak on Wuerl’s part. Does he lack courage? Does he want the false peace of avoiding confrontation? Pelosi doesn’t just have “views” on abortion, she has votes on it. She was on “Meet The Press” once trying to defend her Pro-Abortion votes with some kind of strange reference to St. Thomas Aquinas. It was stupid.

Some Catholics argue that politicians whose positions on abortion and contraception conflict with church teachings should not receive communion. Some Catholics actually believe what the Catholic Church teaches.

So what is the official doctrine...should they have received communion?

They received but not from Pope Francis. Francis only gave communion to deacons. It falls on Biden and Pelosi to abstain from receiving. I think Francis knew that there were going to be Catholic receiving that should not, so he limited himself to who he served.

BTW, the Vatican sent out information about the event but did not invite any individual national representative to the event.

Biden, Pelosi Recieve Communion, For Now

As expected, pro-abortion politicians from the U.S. received communion during the Pope's inaugural mass yesterday.

Of course, this is not a uniquely American problem. Countries from all over the world sent delegations to the inaugural mass and probably more than a few contained pro-abortion pols. Now I don't know if any announcement was made at the hugely attended mass about those, in general terms, that are not prepared to receive communion should abstain. They do this at Christmas and weddings now, thankfully, so I hope they did it there.

At the very least, the Pope avoided the dreaded photo-op of giving communion to one of these pro-abortion pols by not distributing communion himself.

But this issue has to come to a head at some point and perhaps Pope Francis is the one to do it. LiveAction reports that as the former Jorge Cardinal Bergoglio, Pope Francis wrote that more than mere reminders not to receive may be needed.

The Catholic Church is clear on its stance against abortion. Yet denying Communion to those who are known to facilitate in an abortion is not always as clear as it should be. Such situations are at times dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Often, the pro-abortion Catholics in question are reminded or encouraged not to partake in Holy Communion. In going against the Church, in these cases by facilitating in an abortion, a person is excommunicated by his or her own actions. More than a mere reminder or sense of encouragement may be needed.

The text itself states:
"we should commit ourselves to ‘eucharistic coherence’, that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive holy communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortion, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals."

So just perhaps, Pope Francis, now so appreciated by the pro-abortion left, may be the Pope to finally put them in their place.

Posted by Patrick Archbold at 3/20/2013 09:16:00 AM