Posted on 03/25/2013 9:08:05 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
As those of us who've been tortured by 50 years of post-Vatican II lunacy can testify, one carries these crosses and perseveres, sure in the faith that the Church is the bride of Christ, despite the human vicissitudes which constantly beset it.
Everything I’ve seen with Catholic dialoguing seems to be with the purpose of promoting mutual respect and ultimately leading people to see the truth of the Catholic Church.
EXCERPT:
In a profoundly symbolic gesture (hat tip Tundra Tabloids), which epitomizes the Catholic Church's abject dhimmitude, high-profile Muslim convert to Christianity Magdi Christiano Allam, has renounced his Catholicism because of what he terms the Church's weakness toward, and legitimation of, Islam.
Allam, who will remain a Christian, reiterated his belief that Islam is inherently violent, to both its own votaries, and non-Muslims, and criticized The Church for lacking "the vision and courage to denounce the incompatibility of Islam with our [Western] civilization and fundamental rights of the person."
When Benedict XVI himself oversaw Magdi Allam's public Easter 2008 conversion from Islam to Christianity, in St. Peter's Basilica, the intrepid Mr. Allam clearly enunciated Islam's defining bellicose intolerance, while extolling the Pope's moral courage...
Lol! Are the Church's "dialogue partners" told that? Do the leaders of the Jewish Community in Rome know that the Pope "dialogues" with them in order to convert them to Catholicism? Then why are they participating? Do you think they would if the Catholic Church were honest about why it participates in "dialogue?" So since they are participating are they being misled or lied to by the "one true church?"
All the same, the only religion that has ever compromised in all these dialogues has been the Catholic Church itself, which incorporates almost every liberal criticism into an internal change of some sort (only the first eleven chapters of Genesis being "mythology" seems to be non-negotiable).
Exactly how do the idols of the Assisi prayer gatherings teach hindus and animists about "the truth of the Catholic Church?"
Not a all. The Church can recognize that other religions contain elements of Truth but are incomplete. Here is how C.S. Lewis sees it as explained in "Mere Christianity":
I have been asked to tell you what Christians believe, and I am going to begin by telling you one thing that Christians do not need to believe. If you are a Christian you do not have to believe that all the other religions are simply wrong all through. If you are an atheist you do have to believe that the main point in all the religions of the whole world is simply one huge mistake. If you are a Christian, you are free to think that all these religions, even the queerest ones, contain at least some hint of the truth.
I can see that Catholic theology, scholarship, and practice is not your area of expertise, my friend. Remember that everything Christians do is for the purpose of bringing the truth to others, whether a Christian is engaged in direct apologetics or simply befriending and reaching out to those around them, that others may see the light and love of Christ in them.
Aren’t those elements of truth what they are all relative to?
Once again, another day, another topic to be discussed ONLY after the lying left first defines the terms of the debate.
Not everything is a religion. Certainly this 6th century sand monkey creation of pig sperm, Mo-ham-mud and his devil allah should never be in a debate about religion.
A debate about hate cults, death, destruction, pedophilia, beheadings, refusal to become civilized, sure. Those would be rational topics to debate Is-Slime.
Once we allow Is-slime the cloak of religion, then no rational debate can take place as the entire actions of these vermin defy rational thinking.
Also, I apologize if the first sentence in my last comment sounded condescending. Regarding theology and what you referred to in bringing up Genesis, I would recommend reading some Catholic apologetics on that, as that is not my area of expertise. I simply offer my opinion regarding how Christians ought to look at ecumenical dialogue. Take care.
We may have a misunderstanding on what relativism is. As I understand relativism, there is no absolute Truth and that each of us can have our own personal truth even though it conflicts with someone else’s idea of truth. For instance, one person may believe that Jesus was never bodily resurrected and another believe that he was. Under relativism they are they are both correct as per the concept of “my truth, your truth.”
The Church recognizes elements of ABSOLUTE Truth in other religions, such as Monotheism, the afterlife, etc.
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Do the Catholics' "dialogue partners" understand this from the outset, or do they lie to them "for Chr*st?"
Or maybe it's the Catholic laypeople who are being lied to by super-liberal, super-ecumenical clergy and theologians?
WITHIN 10 YEARS?!
Aren’t we at war with Islam right now? Who in hell are our troops fighting in Afghanistan and other places in the world since 2001?
Wake up America!
We're way past having to do that, pal. I've been there and know from personal experience.
If Genesis 1-11 is "unscientific," then so are the numerous "miracles" that have been violating the laws of nature since that time. Plus there's the little matter of calling G-d a liar when He says something happened and the "one true Church" says it didn't.
“....the Pope says what he really thinks about Islam, then they get killed at a higher rate than they already are.”
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So how can the Pope have a dialog with muslims?
You might ought to get back to your co-religionist Free and Armed on that. He seems a trifle confused.
We’ll see how many churches are built and maintained in Turkey, etc. during Francis’ papacy.
Sounds like you are confused about how Catholic theology, as well as a chip on your shoulder. Good luck with everything.
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