High profile Muslim convert quits Catholic Church

The Tablet ^ | 3/25/2013

[stuartcr]

I’m not disgusted or morale-busted if someone lies to me, I just chalk it up as human nature.

We don’t appear to be de-motivated, do we?

Our discussions aren’t stopped, and we’re just a drop in time compared to how many other discussions like this have taken place.

[stuartcr]

No, it’s a belief. I could be completely wrong...or right...or somewhere in-between.

Do you think there is a difference between absolute truths and absolute moral truth?

It doesn’t matter to me whether my beliefs can be proven or not, as they are mine. Like I said, I don’t believe in absolute moral truths for everyone, so it really doesn’t matter if it can be proven or not.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"I’m not disgusted or morale-busted if someone lies to me, I just chalk it up as human nature."

I wonder if it depends on whether the subject of the lie sasimportant to you or not. I know people who would accept a lie from their wife but not from their broker.

"We don’t appear to be de-motivated, do we?"

If I am included in that "we," the answer is yes. I am highly de-motivated to discuss things with people who are in the "almost empty" end of gauge of good will or good sense.

(This is not written with you in mind, stuartcr.)

[stuartcr]

I imagine you’re correct on the first one. I guess I’ve just been lucky when it comes to people lying to me.

[Iscool]

Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

What does your religion teach about those who totally reject the necessity or authority of your religion but go straight to Jesus for their salvation???

[bronxville]

“No, it’s a belief. I could be completely wrong...or right...or somewhere in-between.”

“Everything I have said and done is these last years is relativism, by intuition. From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology, and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories, and men who claim to be the bearers of an objective immortal truth, then there is nothing more relativistic than fascism.” — Benito Mussolini

Have you ever read - The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shavfarevich?

Section 1: Intro, Greece, Heresies
Section 2: European Utopianism
Section 3: Totalitarianism in History
http://www.savageleft.com/poli/tsp1.html