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Pope Francis to live in Vatican guesthouse, not papal apartments
cns ^ | March 26, 2013 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 03/26/2013 11:48:33 AM PDT by NYer

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To: tiki
Ahhh, if someone came up to you several times a day and called your mother a whore and your daughter a harlot even when you tried to avoid them, even when you tried to be civil and defend them using reason and they chose not only not to listen to your reasoning but went about town slandering your family would you see it as someone who just “disagreed” with your family or would you see intent?

Wow! Is this how Free Republic is seen? You've been here HOW long??? JFTR....you seem like a reasonably nice person and I never try to personally slander or hurt anyone here. HOWEVER...there are numerous issues with the Catholic Church with which I disagree and coming on threads and having the freedom to discuss them is part of what I appreciate about FR and continue to support it every month. Some of the replies from "your" side have been anything BUT civil, reasonable OR, even, Christian. Perhaps the remedy for hair-trigger defensiveness is to avoid OPEN Religion Forum threads that can and DO get contentious at times. There's been plenty of warning. Have a blessed day.

101 posted on 03/26/2013 2:19:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: nanetteclaret

I think there’s pretty high security already, since the building has a number of permanent Vatican employee clergy residents and also is used to host high-profile guests. Having seen a photo of the room, I’d say that while while it’s not luxurious, it certainly looks formal and suitable. The building is a relatively new one, so I think facilities and even security will be much easier to maintain there. And it’s literally 2 minutes from there to St Peters Basilica and another minute to the papal apartment, where he will work and receive visitors.


102 posted on 03/26/2013 2:23:51 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
I’m on Malta right now and will be here for Holy Week and Easter

Wow! The largest christian sect in Malta is the Maronite Catholic Church! You could not have picked a better time to experience the rich and profoundly moving liturgies of Passion Week. You can read about them here. All 4 Gospels of Christ's passion are read on Good Friday. There is also a funeral. Don't miss this!

103 posted on 03/26/2013 2:30:11 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: FatherofFive

He PERSONALLY called to cancel a newspaper subscription?

Nothing against him, he seems great. But it’s that interpretation of him that infuriates me. Why is it so special that a “man of God” would call and do his own business? Every freaking person I know does. Why is a pope, or cardinal, SO special that if they do something that 99 percent of the rest of us do, it means they’re humble. I canceled my own cable, does that make me humble?

Nothing against the catholic church. Far as I’m concerned they can spend their money how they want and the pope can live like a king. The catholic church is VERY generous to the poor and needy, so i am not complaining about them. I am complaining that people think the pope is God or something.


104 posted on 03/26/2013 2:31:31 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: txrefugee

The Pope is not the one publicizing it. He just wants to live a simpler way. How is that contrived or ridiculous?


105 posted on 03/26/2013 2:39:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: PapaBear3625

You are saying his humility is excessive?

Maybe it’s natural and not excssive.

Are you the arbiter and measurer of Papal humility, or just any peoples’ humility?

Are you licensed, bonded and certified in humbleness testing?


106 posted on 03/26/2013 2:41:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: exPBRrat

How is he “advertising” his life choices? He makes the choices, and somehow word gets out and newspapers write it up.

I don’t get why you mention “laying the groudowrk fo the simple man”. What on earth makes you think he’s “advertising”?


107 posted on 03/26/2013 2:45:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: DrewsMum

“Why is it so special that a “man of God” would call and do his own business?”


It is unusual to see a global authority figure act like a regular guy. None of the bigshots in Hollywood cancel their own newspaper. Their personal assistant does it. The partners at fancy lawfirms have their secretaries do it. CEO’s have their administrative assistant take care of it. At that level of business, it is often a poor use of the big man’s time to take care of some tasks. So, it doesn’t mean he is holier than others if he cancels his own paper, necessarily. It means the prestige of having someone else do it doesn’t matter to him, as it does to some people. My only question is, when he gets really busy with stuff, will he be able to off-load the minor stuff to assistants and use his time well, or will he stick to a routine that doesn’t serve him well in the Papacy? I think he probably has better judgment than that, or he wouldn’t have been able to manage an archdiocese, but we’ll see.


108 posted on 03/26/2013 2:48:54 PM PDT by married21
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To: Mr. K
Can’t you disagree politely?

I do believe he is an idiot, but you are correct. I should not have pointed it out.

109 posted on 03/26/2013 2:52:00 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: DrewsMum

I don’t know anyone who thinks that the Pope is God.


110 posted on 03/26/2013 3:20:08 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

What- 100 posts and nobody thinks this is a prudent move in light of the fact that the curia has had nearly a century to bug those papal apartments solid? I guess freepers have given up the tin foil for Lent!


111 posted on 03/26/2013 3:38:03 PM PDT by Eepsy
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To: txrefugee

It looks to me that Pope Francis is following the path of how Jesus lived and not immersing himself in the trappings of the office.

I sense he will learn and observe more here and his more public life may impress others to live their life for Jesus.


112 posted on 03/26/2013 4:31:22 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: wideawake; livius
Do not attribute motives to another Freeper or make the thread "about" him! That is "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

113 posted on 03/26/2013 4:33:22 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: txrefugee
"This well-publicized poverty bit is beginning to look contrived and ridiculous."

Except he's walked this walk for many years. It's being publicized now because he's the Pope, but by all accounts this is merely consistent with the way he's acted his whole life as a priest.

114 posted on 03/26/2013 4:38:54 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: FatherofFive

its OK, I aappointed myself the manners police


115 posted on 03/26/2013 4:47:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: 4Runner

What a kind Christian heart you have!

A cousin’s 17 year old hemophiliac son died of AIDS. No decision on his part, he simply got a ‘bad’ dose of blood. Lots of stories like that about AIDS patients.


116 posted on 03/26/2013 4:47:28 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Religion Moderator; livius

And the circle is complete. QED.


117 posted on 03/26/2013 5:49:00 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: NYer

A blogger has coined the term “Totalitarian Humility”. I humbly offer this: “Ostentatious Humility”.


118 posted on 03/26/2013 5:54:26 PM PDT by DumbestOx ("Where is everybody?" - Enrico Fermi, 1950)
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To: DumbestOx

I believe there is an old Jewish saying “Too humble is half proud.”


119 posted on 03/26/2013 5:55:37 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

There is also another relevant saying: “Everyone’s a critic!”


120 posted on 03/26/2013 5:56:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“Except he’s walked this walk for many years.”

Someone once said “Being humble isn’t thinking less of yourself, but more of others.”

Seems that by being more “in the world” in the cafeteria, Mass with the kitchen help, etc. he is in a position to reach out to others more.


121 posted on 03/26/2013 6:00:45 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Revolting cat!

How can you say that on FR? ;)


122 posted on 03/26/2013 6:01:11 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Revolting cat!

PS: I like the guy.


123 posted on 03/26/2013 6:02:24 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

P.S. Does this “news” deserve 124 posts?


124 posted on 03/26/2013 6:03:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Better this than 124 posts to a naughty teacher thread.


125 posted on 03/26/2013 6:04:45 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

There is a naughty teacher thread? Link, please!


126 posted on 03/26/2013 6:07:26 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

They’re like a bus, there will be another one along in a couple minutes.


127 posted on 03/26/2013 6:09:32 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: trisham

I do.


128 posted on 03/26/2013 7:25:17 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: livius
I’m on Malta right now and will be here for Holy Week and Easter
Just heard from my good habiba [friend] who lives in "mighty" Malta:
Election went the way I didn’t want it to go! A difference of 36000 votes, which is big for Malta. Anyway, we were expecting it...
Too bad on that score and also the prior legalization of divorce (which you've already mentioned). Here's a photo of an Adoration Chapel my friend's aunt takes care of in Malta. Maybe you'll see it! Enjoy your stay. What I wouldn't give to be able to be there. :)

Prayers of Preca...
129 posted on 03/26/2013 7:39:24 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: albie

I was thinking Gerald Ford. (He made his own breakfast at first anyway)


130 posted on 03/26/2013 7:43:30 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: betty boop
Beautifully said, dearest sister in Christ!

I, too, am very encouraged by Pope Francis. He appears to have his priorities straight and has the courage of those convictions.

131 posted on 03/26/2013 7:46:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Once again, I was referring merely to the superficial visual aspects of an ascetic monk. Goodness, people take things seriously.


132 posted on 03/26/2013 7:51:25 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: NYer

I am reserving comments, but most Jesuits out here in CA are liberal socialists.


133 posted on 03/26/2013 7:52:50 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: bunkerhill7

Well played, that verse! Well played!!


134 posted on 03/26/2013 7:55:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (O Lord, hear my voice; O Holy One, let my cry come to You.)
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To: Revolting cat!
There must be some way we'uns can use this...

(Frowns. Taps fingers...)

135 posted on 03/26/2013 7:59:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (O Lord, hear my voice; O Holy One, let my cry come to You.)
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To: steve86; betty boop
Thank you for sharing your views, dear steve86!
136 posted on 03/26/2013 8:01:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: NYer

We knew a guy that was very humble too and he lived poorly intentionally. He gave up his pay as a Catholic schoolteacher, but at the same time, his best friend/brother (who was poor as a church mouse) was raising a family not making ends meet. Sometimes I think the desire to remain humble (or to make a point) can get in the way of common sense. Bottom line, though, I don’t care so much where the pope lives; I just pray he remains a holy and humble warrior for Christ.


137 posted on 03/26/2013 8:30:15 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: married21; exPBRrat

“What’s an Arkenfuehrer?”

There is a small town, Hope, from which he hailed. Besides the Bible so eloquently displayed on a Sunday-go-to-meetin’ walk I also remember the laughter stopping suddenly and a tear to be dabbed at leaving Ron Brown’s funeral when he saw the cameras aimed his direction...


138 posted on 03/26/2013 8:35:32 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Revolting cat!
That’s prolly because I’m Revolting, not Religious!

It's prolly best to leave the combining of the two aspects... to the real pros.


139 posted on 03/26/2013 8:47:04 PM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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To: married21

Very good and articulate response. Thank you.


140 posted on 03/26/2013 8:58:21 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: betty boop

I appears you have figured this out, or so it appears to this low information non-Catholic. I shall pray for this Pontif to have the wisdom of Solomon and the grace of Nathan.


141 posted on 03/26/2013 9:04:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: BlueDragon
Hard to meet the requirement of such threads as this one and disagree!


142 posted on 03/26/2013 9:11:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: tiki
Just finished reading this thread and your observations regarding Pope Benedict laying the groundwork for Pope Francis has been my thought as well. Each pope has his mission from God and considering the house cleaning that was overdue at the Vatican I think that Benedict did his job and made it possible for Francis to do what he has been chosen to do. I admire them both and have read that they are good friends and have worked closely together the last few years.
Another belief I have is that Pope Benedict has chosen to live a mostly monastic life of prayer to help both Pope Francis and the Catholic church. Cloistered prayer is powerful and having a retired Pope pitching in to help the church minister to it's huge population of faithful members is a most welcome and needed thing. Thank God for both Pope Benedict and Pope Francis.
143 posted on 03/26/2013 9:39:49 PM PDT by mountainfolk (God Bless the United States of America and the Republic for which is stands.)
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To: Revolting cat!

144 posted on 03/26/2013 9:50:43 PM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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To: mlizzy

Thank you! The chapels that I see people pitting together here are really wonderful! I think I’ll be able to visit 7 churches fairly easily here...I was depressed to find, in another big city a couple of years ago in the US, that I couldn’t even find 7churches that were open for Adoration. Go Malta! But I’m afraid change is coming. I’m glad I got here when I did!


145 posted on 03/26/2013 10:53:53 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Please remove my distinctly un-humble comment. If you or the moderator have already suppressed it, I thank you.


146 posted on 03/27/2013 1:29:22 AM PDT by DumbestOx ("Where is everybody?" - Enrico Fermi, 1950)
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To: 4Runner

Jesus came to be with sinners. I’m comfortable that Francis isn’t a Marxist. He doesn’t believe that the secular state controls the poor. He knows its his job to minister to them.


147 posted on 03/27/2013 6:28:41 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: married21

I like this Pope

He seem the type that would lunch with common folks in Vatican


148 posted on 03/27/2013 9:32:06 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: trisham

I wonder aloud whether the PR folks are putting this stuff out, or if they are getting told to.

I have seen PR guys who need to make a story about everything. If he is truly this humble, he will put and end to these stories—and you will see a change to the communications department.


149 posted on 03/27/2013 9:39:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: steve86

I’m very sorry if I offended you, dear steve86. Please forgive me.


150 posted on 03/27/2013 5:13:50 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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