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The End is Near For Marriage As We Know It
The Christian Diarist ^ | March 26, 2013 | JP

Posted on 03/26/2013 1:25:49 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

As the Supreme Court heard oral arguments today in a landmark case that seeks to establish “marriage equality” as the law of the land, my thoughts turned to Kody Brown, David Epstein and Kenneth Pinyan.

Brown, who appears with his four brides and 17 children in the TLC reality show “Sister Wives,” faces prosecution for violating Utah’s ban on polygamy.

Epstein, a Columbia University political science professor, was charged last year with one count of incest for his three-year consensual sexual relationship with his 24-year-old daughter.

And Pinyan, the subject of a documentary film, “Zoo,” which won an award at the Sundance Film Festival, died after having sex with an Arabian stallion at a Washington state horse farm.

If the nation’s highest court declares that same-sex marriage is protected – somehow – by the Constitution, it follows that polygamous marriage, incestuous marriage and – who knows? – maybe even interspecies marriage must be similarly countenanced under the law.

Because if justices embrace a secularist, laissez faire approach to marriage, if they accept the premise President Obama tweeted yesterday – “Every American should be able to marry the person they love” – the legal takeaway will be “anything goes.”

If a man loves four different women, like Brown, have a five-way marriage. If a man has the hots for his daughter, like Epstein, marry her. If a man is smitten with an Arabian horse, like Pinyan, who are we to say they shouldn’t be wed?

That sounds absurd to those of us who continue to believe in “holy” – as opposed to unholy – matrimony. But know that there are defenders of even the most abberant “relationships.”

Indeed, Jenny Edwards, who runs Help for Horses, an organization that nurses abused and abandoned equines, arrived alongside police at the farm where Pinyan died after his sexual encounter with the stallion.

In “Zoo,” the documentary, she says she had a change of heart about man-horse relations. She came to appreciate zoophiles, like Pinyan, acknowledging, “the love and care they give their animal partners.”

As to interspecies sex? “I’m right at the edge of being able to understand it,” she said.

Similarly, Matthew Galluzzo, attorney for Epstein, said there is nothing wrong with incestuous sex between consenting adults. “It’s okay for homosexuals to do whatever they want to do in their own home,” he argued. “How is this so different?”

Brown makes his own same case. Let everyone, he said, including gays, including polygamists, including others in “noncoventional” relationships, “Choose and define who you marry. Choose and define who you love.”

If same-sex marriage receives the blessing of the Supreme Court, does anyone doubt that polygamists, incestuous adults, and – who knows? – maybe even zoophiles will be next to demand “marriage equality?”

For that is the unGodly path down which our fallen society is heading.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: civilrights; constitution; demagogicparty; homosexualagenda; nambla; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; romneyvsclerks; samesexmarriage; scotus; sodomy; ssm; supremecourt
If we believe that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, then homosexual marriage will never be considered "holy matrimony."
1 posted on 03/26/2013 1:25:49 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Perhaps religious people should dispense with getting the state's approval and go with a religious ceremony only.

Getting the approval of a demonic state seems demented.

2 posted on 03/26/2013 1:27:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Isn’t polygamy up to four women OK for Muslims? Maybe this is O’s way of getting closer to Sharia.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 1:27:35 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
God’s wrath is somtines like a mill stone, grinding slow but extremely fine.
4 posted on 03/26/2013 1:27:36 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

So another part of America is in the toilet. Nothing new.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 1:30:48 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Sooner or later, we’re going to just have to bite the bullet (so to speak) and tell the Supreme Court (of mindless jesters) to shove it up their smelly collective Obamas.

They can degree all they want, but given the present low intellectual capacity of the court provided us by the Quota-baby-in-chief’s loathsome additions, we have no choice but to show ‘em the finger and dare them do do something about it.

And perhaps our military is going to have to decide which side to take - before CW-II starts in earnest.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 1:31:58 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Logical me

ALL of America is in the TOILET......55 MILLION BABIES HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THEIR OWN MOTHERS.....EVERYWHERE in AMERICA!!


7 posted on 03/26/2013 1:35:58 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

All this is only because the right won’t fight back.


8 posted on 03/26/2013 1:38:22 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: Logical me

Title should have been: “End of the United States as We had once Known it”.

I’ve concluded its all part of the plan.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 1:39:00 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Marriage is a religious sacrament. Keep the government out of it.
10 posted on 03/26/2013 1:43:54 PM PDT by bgill
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

The end is near for this country.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 1:46:21 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

The whole point is to destroy the institution of marriage which has been the basic bedrock of civilization.

They truly wish to destroy civilization in order to rebuild the utopia.


12 posted on 03/26/2013 1:50:12 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ann Archy

Americans are living in fantasy land, hopefully the coming collapse will snap them back to the real world


13 posted on 03/26/2013 1:51:08 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Marriage ended when married people didn’t stay married.

I would guess that the average “marriage” now lasts no more than 4 years.

I was married 38 years before my wife died, but I’m from another generation.


14 posted on 03/26/2013 1:52:59 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

At this point, I could care less about gay marriage. If sodomites and lesbians want to be together, it’s small potatoes in the big scheme of things.

The first time the government will enforce a church to observe such a marriage is where the line in the sand will be drawn.

It’s just another trial that we will need to go through.


15 posted on 03/26/2013 1:56:28 PM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

“The end is near for marriage”?

Nope. Marriage is defined by God, and thus will outlast this country.


16 posted on 03/26/2013 2:10:26 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
"Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God," wrote Cardinal Bergoglio in a letter sent to the monasteries of Buenos Aires. "We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God." ... Pope Francis
17 posted on 03/26/2013 2:14:49 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

re: “Perhaps religious people should dispense with getting the state’s approval and go with a religious ceremony only.
Getting the approval of a demonic state seems demented.”

I see what you are saying, but the problem is, if same-sex marriage is “legal”, then “legally” we are all supposed to “recognize” its legitimacy. That is, ministers who refuse to perform such marriages could be prosecuted for discrimination, churches who refuse to recognize the same could be sued for discrimination. Insurance business owners will be forced to recognize such marriages, Christian hospitals, universities, secondary/elementary schools could be forced to hire such couples or lose their license to do business. It will never end.

It won’t really matter if churches withdraw from the “state” licensing to perform marriages or not - the low information voter will not see the distinction.

I’m not saying I disagree with you. I’m just not sure it would stop all the crap coming our way anyway.


18 posted on 03/26/2013 2:15:36 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Talk about a belated obituary. Marriage “as we know it” has been dead and buried in the U.S. for a few decades, at least.


19 posted on 03/26/2013 2:15:39 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: DH

“Marriage ended when married people didn’t stay married.”

Bingo! Someone give this guy a kewpie doll!


20 posted on 03/26/2013 2:16:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bgill
Marriage is a religious sacrament. Keep the government out of it.

Marriage is now a government benefit distribution scheme. Conservative Christians asked for it to be so, desiring tax breaks, insurance discounts, and other government rewards for something they were already committed to doing for religious reasons. Marriage was sold off to government decades ago - cheap.

Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before every grifter in town wanted in on the scam. The word "marriage" (much like the word "gay", itself) is now destined for destruction. The concept, however, should survive relatively unscathed.

21 posted on 03/26/2013 2:25:14 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Marriage “as we know it” is an unstable modern invention, not even fifty years old.

“Traditional marriage” is now illegal in all 50 states. Contracts for fidelity and permanence have been ruled contrary to public policy in many courts. The marriage “contract” is the ONLY contract that is terminable at will by either party over the objections of the other party without payment of liquidated damages.

Marriage “as we know it” is finished. The fact that the state now will insist that two men or two women can be called “married” (to each other) is proof.


22 posted on 03/26/2013 2:34:55 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: woweeitsme

Last year, the New Mexico Court of Appeals upheld a ruling by the state’s Human Rights Commission that a Christian wedding photographer was guilty of “discrimination” on the basis of sexual orientation because she refused to photograph a lesbian “commitment ceremony.”

And just this month, a California Christian college was sued by a transgender student who was expelled after school officials discovered that he/she lied on his/her admissions application, claiming to be female.

Is there any doubt that, at some point, some church will be sued, under some legal pretext, for refusing to marry a gay couple?


23 posted on 03/26/2013 2:39:00 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

**The End is Near For Marriage As We Know It**

I don’t think so. Are you on your knees praying? Where is your faith?


24 posted on 03/26/2013 2:39:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rusty schucklefurd
That is, ministers who refuse to perform such marriages could be prosecuted for discrimination, churches who refuse to recognize the same could be sued for discrimination.

Nope. The Supreme Court struck down laws against interracial marriage in 1967, but no church that objects to such marriages has ever been forced to perform one.

25 posted on 03/26/2013 2:52:04 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

To be happy in a “Bi-Sexual Marriage” wouldn’t there have to be more than two parties?


26 posted on 03/26/2013 4:15:27 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (And winter is coming.)
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To: Boogieman; DH
Marriage "as we know it" ended when married people started using drugs, devices, and surgery to reject their natural design and deconstruct natural sex.

And I'm not talking about trannies. I'm talking about contraceptors.

If sex is more desirable when it's sterile, homosexuals are absolutely into the program. Marriage--- why not? Straights have had gay marriage for 90 years (I'm dating it from Sanger.) Why not let the gays in, too?

27 posted on 03/26/2013 7:36:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (O Lord, hear my voice; O Holy One, let my cry come to You.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

re: “Nope. The Supreme Court struck down laws against interracial marriage in 1967, but no church that objects to such marriages has ever been forced to perform one.”

That may or may not be true, but that was when America was still America. We have not been “America” as founded for the last 4 and a half years. Obamacare legislation has already created lawsuits against private individuals and religious organizations for refusing to pay for employees abortions/contraception in their medical insurance.

If the Supreme Court “finds” the right to same-sex marriage it will, of course, become part of anti-discrimination laws. I cannot imagine that churches, ministers, chaplains, etc. will be permitted to refuse to perform such marriages for very long. Churches who rent their facilities for weddings will not be allowed to refuse to rent to same-sex couples for very long. In fact, every person who offers a public service having to do with weddings - photographers, halls, musicians, caterers - they will have to also perform their services for same-sex weddings or lose their right to work in a public capacity.

Canada and the UK have already prosecuted ministers and individuals for speaking against same-sex marriage under “hate crime” legislation. We have hate crime legislation too, not the same as Canada’s but it is there and with the current climate of “tolerance” do you really think we are far behind in having the same kind of legislation?

You are correct that ministers and churches have traditionally not been prosecuted (because it’s against the Constitution), but if the Supreme Court rules in favor of the right to same-sex marriage, it will be a further isolation of all those who refuse to play along.

Churches, ministers, Christian schools, Christian hospitals, Christian adoption agencies, etc., will be permitted to exercise their “discrimination” against “loving gay couples” within the confines of their property, but not one inch further - but how long will that be permitted with the way the country is going?

As I said, you may be correct, but for how long?


28 posted on 03/27/2013 9:41:42 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

The Supreme Court - About to Play God Again?


29 posted on 03/27/2013 3:51:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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