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Pope Francisí General Audience focused on women. Feminists arenít going to be happy
WDTPRS ^ | April 3, 2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 04/03/2013 8:59:06 AM PDT by NYer

The text of Pope Francis’ general audience:

Feminists and proponents of women’s ordination aren’t gonna be happy.

My emphases and comments:

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Today we turn to the Catechism of the Year of Faith. [Well! He mentioned it again.] In the Creed we repeat this phrase: “He rose again on the third day, in accordance with the Scriptures”. This is the very event [a historical event] that we are celebrating: the Resurrection of Jesus, the center of the Christian message that has resounded since the beginning and has been handed down so that it may reach us today. Saint Paul writes to the Christians of Corinth: “For I handed on to you …what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures; that he was buried; that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures; that he appeared to Cephas, then to the Twelve”(1 Cor 15:3-5). This brief confession of faith announces the Paschal Mystery, with the first appearances of the Risen Christ to Peter and the Twelve: the Death and Resurrection of Jesus is the heart of our hope. Without this faith in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus our hope would be weak, but it wouldn’t even be hope, the Death and Resurrection of Jesus is the heart of our hope. The Apostle says: “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins” (v. 17).

Unfortunately, there have often been attempts to obscure faith in the Resurrection of Jesus, and doubts have crept in even among believers themselves. A watered down faith, as we would say, not a strong faith. This is because of superficiality, sometimes because of indifference, occupied by a thousand things considered more important than the faith, or because of a purely horizontal vision of life. But it is the Resurrection that gives us the greatest hope, because it opens our lives and the life of the world to the eternal future of God, to full happiness, to the certainty that evil, sin, death can be defeated. And this leads us to live everyday realities with more confidence, to face them with courage and commitment. The Resurrection of Christ shines a new light on these daily realities. The Resurrection of Christ is our strength!
But how was the truth of faith in Christ’s Resurrection transmitted? There are two kinds of witness in the New Testament: some are in the form of the profession of the faith, namely, synthetic formulas that indicate the center of the faith. Instead, others are in the form of an account of the event of the Resurrection and the facts connected to it. The form of the profession of faith, for example, is what we have just heard, or that of the Letter to the Romans where Paul writes: ” for, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved “(10.9). From the earliest days of the Church, faith in the Mystery of Death and Resurrection of Jesus is steadfast and clear.
Today, however, I would like to dwell the second, on testimony in the form of the accounts that we find in the Gospels. First, we note that the first witnesses to this event were the women. At dawn, they go to the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus, and find the first sign: the empty tomb (Mk 16:1). This is followed by an encounter with a Messenger of God who proclaims: Jesus of Nazareth, the Crucified One, he is not here, he is risen (cf. vv. 5-6). The women are driven by love and know how to accept this proclamation with faith: they believe, and immediately transmit it, they do not keep it for themselves. They cannot contain the joy of knowing that Jesus is alive, the hope that fills their heart. This should also be the same in our lives. Let us feel the joy of being Christian! We believe in the Risen One who has conquered evil and death! Let us also have the courage to “go out” to bring this joy and light to all the places of our lives! The Resurrection of Christ is our greatest certainty, it is our most precious treasure! How can we not share this treasure, this beautiful certainty with others! It’s not just for us it’s to be transmitted, shared with others this is our testimony!

[OKAY! Here we go! This is a good day for our team, friends.]

Another element. In the professions of faith of the New Testament, only men are remembered as witnesses of the Resurrection, the Apostles, but not the women. This is because, according to the Jewish Law of the time, women and children were not considered reliable, credible witnesses. [See what he is doing? See?!?] In the Gospels, however, [!]women have a primary, fundamental role. [There it is! The GOSPEL account is NOT culturally-conditioned, locked into a woman-repressing mentality. The Gospel, the Christian message, breaks with that.] Here we can see an argument in favor of the historicity of the Resurrection: if it were a invented, in the context of that time it would not have been linked to the testimony of women. Instead, the evangelists simply narrate what happened: the women were the first witnesses. [Actually, the angels were the first... but let that pass.] This tells us that God does not choose according to human criteria: the first witnesses of the birth of Jesus are the shepherds,[again, the first were really angels... but let that pass...] simple and humble people, the first witnesses of the Resurrection are women. This is beautiful, [this is fantastic!! Now wait for it...] and this is the mission of women, of mothers and women, [MOTHERS!] to give witness to their children and grandchildren that Christ is Risen! Mothers go forward with this witness! [MOTHERS!] What matters to God is our heart, if we are open to Him, if we are like trusting children. But this also leads us to reflect on how in the Church and in the journey of faith, women have had and still have a special role in opening doors to the Lord, in following him and communicating his face, because the eyes of faith always need the simple and profound look of love. [By being MOTHERS. He isn't talking about Church ministry. Far from suggesting anything about leadership positions in ecclesiastical structures, Francis is talking about having babies and being strong Catholics.] The Apostles and disciples find it harder to believe in the Risen Christ, not the women however! Peter runs to the tomb, but stops before the empty tomb; Thomas has to touch the wounds of the body of Jesus with his hands. In our journey of faith it is important to know and feel that God loves us, do not be afraid to love: faith is professed with the mouth and heart, with the word and love.
After the apparitions to women, there were others: Jesus becomes present in a new way: He is the Crucified One, but his body is glorious; He did not return to an earthly life, but a new condition. At first they did not recognize him, and only through his words and deeds were their eyes opened: the encounter with the Risen Lord transforms, it gives new strength to faith, an unshakable foundation. The Risen Christ also reveals Himself to us with many signs: Sacred Scripture, the Eucharist, the other Sacraments, charity, these gestures of love bring a ray of the Risen One. [Mothers Marching in the Plaza de Mayo morphed into Mothers Marching for the Resurrection of Jesus.]
Let us be enlightened by the Resurrection of Christ, let us be transformed by His power, so that through us the signs of death give way to signs of life in the world! I see that there are many young people in the Square! Young boys and girls, to you I say bring forth this certainty to the world: the Lord is Alive and walks beside us on our life’s journey! Bring forth this hope, be anchored in this hope, the hope that comes from heaven! Be anchored and bring forth the hope! You witnesses of Christ bring forth hope to this world that is aged by wars and sin! Go forward young people!

MOTHERS! GO FORTH! MARCH FOR LIFE! MARCH FOR FAITH!


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: popefrancis; radicalfeminists; women

1 posted on 04/03/2013 8:59:06 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
MOTHERS! GO FORTH! MARCH FOR LIFE! MARCH FOR FAITH!

MARCH FOR MARRIAGE!

2 posted on 04/03/2013 8:59:44 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

I think poor Father Z is cracking up, bless his heart. Perhaps a little time off ...


3 posted on 04/03/2013 9:01:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: NYer

What an eccentric performance.


4 posted on 04/03/2013 9:07:16 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: NYer

The only way feminazis would be happy with the pope is if he announced that he had a sex-change operation 40 years ago and was a lesbian in disguise and would be ordaining lesbian priests and that gay men could become nuns, and that they could all marry each other or anyone or anything they wanted.


5 posted on 04/03/2013 9:26:59 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I am so glad the Fr. John gave the Pope a pass on the Angels! </sarcasm>


6 posted on 04/03/2013 9:28:28 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: NYer
I get what Fr. Z is doing.

I think he may be overreacting, some, because he was previously worried about where Pope Francis is coming from, and he'd now decided that if Francis is talking about "Mothers," " he must be a reliably Catholic Catholic. He's reacting out of relief.

One other point: Fr. Z use a picture of the Madres de Plaza de Mayo and played them, in a sense, against the women witnesses of the Resurrection. (Actually, I'm not even sure whether he meant them as a contrast, or a parallel.) In either case, he should have at least explained who the Madres are.

7 posted on 04/03/2013 9:30:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: NYer

Also from three audience:

” Unfortunately, there have often been attempts to obscure faith in the Resurrection of Jesus, and doubts have crept in even among believers themselves. A watered down faith, as we would say, not a strong faith. This is because of superficiality, sometimes because of indifference, occupied by a thousand things considered more important than the faith, or because of a purely horizontal vision of life.”

While not specifically about women, the sad fact is that a watered down faith is weak. Surprised that Father Z didn’t twig on that, as the assessment directly opposes today’s happy clappy version of Catholicism that springs from so many pulpits.


8 posted on 04/03/2013 9:32:27 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

three audience = the audience (blasted tablet)


9 posted on 04/03/2013 9:34:03 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Why does he insist mothers have to march, in addition to everything else? Does he have any idea how difficult that is, when you’ve got nursing infants, children in diapers, the semi-toilet-trained ... ?

You come take over a month of my life, Father Z, and I’ll go march for stuff ... or get off my case.


10 posted on 04/03/2013 9:37:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: NYer
Peter runs to the tomb, but stops before the empty tomb

That was John who did that. Peter ran slower, but went into the tomb.

11 posted on 04/03/2013 9:37:35 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: NYer
So Catholics can stop the preemptive attacks on Pope Francis and accept that he is not going to deny the Real Presence nor is he going to endorse the ordaining of women priests...or any of the other misleading write-ups on him and...women can stop trying to be men.

Now, if we could only get men to stop trying to be women, we would really be making some headway.

12 posted on 04/03/2013 9:39:09 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Tax-chick
"... y a su MADRE, VICTORIA!"

I'm a little loopy, myself.

(Let's see if anybody jumps in to gainsay that!)

13 posted on 04/03/2013 9:52:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: NYer

**This tells us that God does not choose according to human criteria: the first witnesses of the birth of Jesus are the shepherds,[again, the first were really angels... but let that pass...] simple and humble people, the first witnesses of the Resurrection are women. This is beautiful, [this is fantastic!! Now wait for it...] and this is the mission of women, of mothers and women, [MOTHERS!] to give witness to their children and grandchildren that Christ is Risen! Mothers go forward with this witness! [MOTHERS!] What matters to God is our heart, if we are open to Him, if we are like trusting children. But this also leads us to reflect on how in the Church and in the journey of faith, women have had and still have a special role in opening doors to the Lord, in following him and communicating his face, because the eyes of faith always need the simple and profound look of love. [By being MOTHERS. He isn’t talking about Church ministry. Far from suggesting anything about leadership positions in ecclesiastical structures, Francis is talking about having babies and being strong Catholics.]**

Oh, yes and another “Wow!”


14 posted on 04/03/2013 10:00:06 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tax-chick; Mrs. Don-o; markomalley; NYer; agere_contra; SubMareener

**Why does he insist mothers have to march**

I think he is calling all of us to evangelize. Marching is a wordless way to do it.

BTW, evangelization was the main topic of dynamo, new Archbishop Alexander Sample in Portland Oregon yesterday.

What an awesome thing it was to hear him, etc.

They had to pull down more bleachers at the University of Porland Chiles Cetner.....will we be in the Rose Garden arena next?


15 posted on 04/03/2013 10:07:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Tax-chick; Mrs. Don-o; markomalley; NYer; agere_contra; SubMareener
I think he is calling all of us to evangelize. Marching is a wordless way to do it.

Preach the gospel, and if necessary, use feet.

16 posted on 04/03/2013 10:30:14 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

LOL!


17 posted on 04/03/2013 10:36:53 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jacknhoo

Now, if we could only get men to stop trying to be women,...”

Most women have an urge to try and remake their guy into what they think they want him to be and then they decide they don’t like him that way either. It’s just ridiculous. We need to get back to the old way of defining masculinity and women need to let and expect men to be masculine men. I’m so tired of pansy acting guys.


18 posted on 04/03/2013 10:37:32 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Tax-chick

March at home sweatheart - around and around (like you are doing while soothing your kids physically and emotionally), so your kids live and breath it throughout their day.

When the kids are old enough to need to get out of the house once a week, march around the block where evangelization needs you (His feet and hands and image) most.

That’s what we do.


19 posted on 04/03/2013 10:37:51 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: agere_contra

The point could be - men need convincing, we are the weaker, so He uses us as priests. Those women, one of which was sinless, didn’t run during the WaY of the Cross and believed as soon as told - too strong for the priest role, they’re needed for initial evangelization/instruction while the men are cowering and using their testosterone and dumb strength/thick skin to feed the congregation and hear confessions.

Only one of us can carry and have the kid and mother-bear love like that - the other HAS to do SOMETHING special!


20 posted on 04/03/2013 10:43:15 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Tax-chick
Why does he insist mothers have to march, in addition to everything else? Does he have any idea how difficult that is, when you’ve got nursing infants, children in diapers, the semi-toilet-trained ... ?

You come take over a month of my life, Father Z, and I’ll go march for stuff ... or get off my case.

It would seem to me that Christian Mothers with infants/small children would probably be more effective Evangelists for the Lord, by personal/social interactions with non-Christian Mothers with infants/small children.

Young/new Mothers are likely to need lots of support from someone who has "been there, done that", and receiving social and moral support, and faith sharing, from Christian Mothers, on an inter-personal level, would seem to me to be more effective than marching/hoisting signs/etc.

Just a thought, not a negative comment on the Pope, or his intentions.

21 posted on 04/03/2013 11:16:00 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My mother’s name is Patricia.


22 posted on 04/03/2013 11:16:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

Y a su madre Patricia, VICTORIA!


23 posted on 04/03/2013 2:29:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Tax-chick

That’s my name as well.
:)


24 posted on 04/03/2013 2:41:42 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Tax-chick

“[Actually, the angels were the first... but let that pass.]”

Good lord. Really?


25 posted on 04/03/2013 3:06:26 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not a great party until someone loses rank.)
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To: onyx

It’s a good name. I have a son, Patrick, named after her, as well as a son William for my father.


26 posted on 04/03/2013 3:10:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Anoreth

He’s a little proud of himself. You may recall one of our household rules (observed only in the breach), “If any sentence is going to include the word ‘actually,’ don’t bother to say it.”


27 posted on 04/03/2013 3:11:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Col Freeper; Anoreth

I understood that the author was requesting marching of mothers, not the Pope. (I would just have sighed if it was from the Pope, because he’s not extremely annoying.)

I find that being out in public with a large group of children gives me many opportunities to tell people how good God is, and how children are a reward ... especially the outrageously excellent Gunner Anoreth, of course.


28 posted on 04/03/2013 3:29:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

I like the name Patrick. It’s wonderful you named your children after your Mom and Dad. God Bless and Keep you and your precious family.


29 posted on 04/03/2013 4:47:42 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

Thank you! We also have children named for my parents-in-law, various historical figures, and finally, by the 8th and 9th, nobody in particular ;-).


30 posted on 04/04/2013 4:59:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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