Posted on 04/04/2013 3:02:24 PM PDT by NYer
Kings “rule the country”. Obozo isn’t a king, he said so himself. Anyway, this is not a political issue - the God who made us says that it’s wrong for a man to stick his weenie up another man’s bum - therefore it’s wrong and that’s that. Ohomo can get all the laws passed he wants, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a sin and those who practice it and don’t repent will spend eternity in hell. I will not support it politically.
Can someone who has previously accepted Christ become a homo? I guess so, just as they can commit adultery or any other sin. If they do not repent and turn away from it eventually, I suspect that they were never saved in the first place.
The fact that those who favor this unhealthy lifestyle politically want to make it illegal to leave it once you are trapped in it tells me all I need to know about who’s behind it. Only Satan would have to pass laws to keep you from leaving his clutches once he has you.....sort of like Islam, come to think of it.
And that’s the point... God only approves of a marriage between one man and one woman. What is created when a person has sex with more than one person of the opposite sex is sin and confusion....where the only exception is when one the two parties dies and the other remarries. And if a sexual act is with a member of the same sex, it’s an abomination.... Leviticus 20:13.
Rom 1:27
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
NIV
What does that mean?
Nonsense.
If your argument had any validity, premarital sex wouldn’t have been the capital offense it once was, per the Old Testament.
What did God do that is worrying you, right now?
His ministers. Are they serving Him as they ought? The politicians, as usual, serve themselves.
Calling evil good and good evil has served us well as a long term strategy.
No such thing as conservatism without honesty. That's the whole point, and if you've missed that, you've kinda missed what it means to be conservative.
Look at it this way. If I tell my kids,
* be truthful about the limits of money,
* be truthful about the child-producing nature of natural marriage,
* be truthful about what it means to kill an innocent child in the womb,
* be truthful about the ugly force it sometimes takes to defend innocent lives from criminals, crazies, and tyrants,
* be truthful about the relative normalcy of the climate, the stability of nature, the smallness of man's role,
* be truthful about why Chicago has such a high murder rate,
* be truthful about the hard work it takes to succeed in most anything and what bad things can happen when you fail.
... and then I say ...
"But to do all that, you gotta lie like the Devil, who is the Father of lies, you gotta be better at lying and dirty tricks than the most sickening, perverted democrats you know"
... do you think just maybe I'd be sending my children some pretty mixed up messages? You raise kids to be conservative by exampling truth to them. Preach truth and live a lie and you will lose them to the dark side. I've seen it happen. Dems, libs, and leftists are so accustomed to lies they can't even hear truth. I know. I've got extended family members who are de facto communists and they just become unreachable after too much time living in the Lie.
So if we followed your advice, maybe we'd do ok for a few elections cycles, beating the dems at their own game. But then one morning we'd wake up and discover we had become them, just as controlling, just as capable of lies and murder. So even if "we" won, it wouldn't be worth it to win on those terms. "we" wouldn't be "us" anymore.
So thanks, but no thanks.
That is all good and proper, but where I grew up we didn’t need to look at the Bible to know homosexuals are sick in the head.
and divorce.
Yeah, I know, that’s why I called it “revisionism.”
Not sure what part you consider ‘nonsense’ but as I said, I didn’t expect everyone to agree with me. What verse(s) in the Old Testament would you like to use to support your position? Are you sure that your references don’t relate to something where the act of adultery, rape or incest is involved? My understanding of Jewish customs was that the preparation for a marriage, the wedding ceremony, the follow up feast and so forth was a big deal that demonstrated with clarity the seriousness and sanctity that the approaching marriage was to be held in… but it wasn’t actually essential for the marriage itself to be recognized as a marriage per se. Here’s a verse that essentially describes the case where two virgins who were not betrothed (a word that means something akin to what we would call engagement but by Jewish custom it actually meant something more than that) engaged in sex…. Exodus 22:16 “And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.” They were not put to death… this verse was simply recognition that this was a couple who bypassed the entire process of the wedding ceremony etc and went straight to the state of marriage. Although it would be speculation, it almost seems like this was a couple who simply got caught up in the heat of the moment but it doesn’t matter…. once the sex act was engaged in, they were in fact married. How do we know that this verse refers to unmarried virgins? It’s because other verses which involve unmarried participants in the sexual act who are not virgins are put to death so by inference, this verse refers to a couple who are virgins. There are a few exceptions to all this such as the allowance that was granted for husbands to have more than one wife…but that is a separate issue.
Regardless, I'm very interested in hearing your view on this including the Biblical support for it) if you simply believe that capital punishment was administered across the board for what you refer to as 'premarital sex'.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
I heard this argument from someone once, and I just started laughing. Couldn't help it.
His "bible" must be missing a verse in Leviticus.
I’d say the lessons of Sodom and Gomorrah are pretty clear on this.
No, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed b/c the people were very inhospitable to outsiders; a grave faux pas back in those days.
Gotta get with the 21st C. revisionism.
It's not revisionism. This is the traditional Jewish understanding of why Sodom was destroyed. One way the Sodomites discouraged strangers was with homosexual rape.
This has nothing to do with the fact that male homosexuality is absolutely forbidden for every human being. The Torah verse that forbids homosexuality is Leviticus 18:22, and it is explicated further in the Oral Torah, including the Noachide Laws.
.....”where I grew up we didn’t need to look at the Bible to know homosexuals are sick in the head.”........
Yep, me too. .....the world has dumbdowned the natural senses with individuals so far that they can only “hear” the drumbeat now...or the piper pipe.
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