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1 posted on 04/06/2013 10:46:39 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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Yeshua made it plain what would happen to those he never knew.

They cannot blame him; it is their own rejection of him that condemns them.


2 posted on 04/06/2013 10:52:16 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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I just pray that, as the Lord desires for everyone to be saved, His will may be done, and hopefully few will end up in such a horrible place.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 10:56:32 AM PDT by Boogieman
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Hell is real. Most of us are going there. The only place that I vary from the aforementioned doctrine being that after the sinner has undergone sufficient punishment, which balances his deeds, God will totally destroy him. Total annihilation being the "Second Death" mentioned in the bible.
4 posted on 04/06/2013 11:00:41 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Here’s a question for everyone: If Christian kills himself, will he go to Hell?


5 posted on 04/06/2013 11:01:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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I consider it one of the separating factors between God and Jesus (which as a trinitarian, I believe are simulataneously the same and separate entities).

God is not the forgiver, Jesus is.

God sends you to hell. Jesus does not.

If you view God as an omnipotent, generally detached entity and Jesus as being one that understands and cares for man, then it starts to make more sense.

Do we care for the fire ants that we toss poison on so they stop biting our feet? Not really. In fact, not at all.


6 posted on 04/06/2013 11:02:31 AM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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The question should be ?

The doctrine or shall I say, the false teaching of ALL will be saved.

Opps !! sorry rich man in the gosple who would not even give Lazarious even a morsal of food or drink.

Yes, make no mistake about it, that rich man yearned to even get a taste of water on his tounge... but, he went to hell and torment.

He could see over a wide gulf Lazerious in the heart of Abraham, and in paradise and wanted to warm his own family of Hell and Torment.

Now back to the question at hand, will ALL be saved ?

Those who believe that ALL will be saved will have to reconcile what Jesus taught, in that he talked about those who would be cast out into outer darkness, gnashing their teeth.

7 posted on 04/06/2013 11:02:49 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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Why did there have to be any description of hell in the bible? It seems that it's primary purpose would be to frighten people into accepting Jesus, which wouldn't seem to be a legitimate reason to accept Christ. So why not just leave hell out of the bible rather than seemingly use it as a sort of emotional blackmail to accept Christ.
10 posted on 04/06/2013 11:04:54 AM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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A very thorough and sometimes humorous explanation of the mainstream doctrine of Hell.

Non-Dante - The Biblical Truth About Hell

11 posted on 04/06/2013 11:07:33 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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The idea of eternal punishment for sin, he further notes, is “a doctrine that put cruelty in the world and gave the world generations of cruel torture.”

Don't mean to make light of such a deep subject that we really know very little about. But my reaction in reading this ... is ... what if a person chooses to suffer? We hear a lot about choice. If people are told they have a choice to live in the big house or live outside and they choose outside who am I to judge :-) Of course the deeper problem is there are people - past, present, future - who really aren't clearly presented with this choice. so I find that part of the doctrine to be difficult. Where I come out is ... I don't know what happens to those people. All I know is they are not with God.

16 posted on 04/06/2013 11:15:30 AM PDT by plain talk
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It’s a hell of an easy choice.


25 posted on 04/06/2013 11:23:35 AM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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In the South before World War II, especially black preachers made their reputations on their elaborate and frightening descriptions of Hell. It was said that a truly gifted preacher could make a congregation “smell brimstone, and feel the fire licking the floorboards beneath their feet.”

And because whether he wanted to or not, he was party to the church gossips, so had a pretty good idea of who was sinning, how they were sinning, and who knew about it. This gave him an opportunity to, without naming names, fix his gaze on particular sinners to let them know that he knew, and was speaking directly to them in his sermon, and that they had not evaded what was coming to them.

This went a long way to at least temporarily set many on a more straight and narrow path, and even somewhat defuse near homicidal anger at say, a straying or intemperate spouse, if he or she displayed some degree of contrition.

However, after the war, Hell fell out of fashion, with the general desire by the clergy to embrace the more joyous and redemptive aspects of faith. But as an experiment, this change has caused mixed reviews, at best.


36 posted on 04/06/2013 11:56:43 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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Then what was Jeesus being punished for when he was in hell? What was David being punished for in hell?


40 posted on 04/06/2013 12:09:57 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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"Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"...Jonathan Edwards.

Here.

That's a scary sermon...

The story goes that so powerful were the words (not so much Edwards' delivery itself) that Edwards was interrupted several times by folks in the congregation desiring to be saved immediately.

60 posted on 04/06/2013 1:20:56 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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...theologian Clark Pinnock who, despite having regarded himself as an evangelical, dismissed hell with a rhetorical question: “How can one imagine for a moment that the God who gave His Son to die for sinners because of His great love for them would install a torture chamber somewhere in the new creation in order to subject those who reject Him to everlasting pain?”

When we redefine God we make ourselves out to be god. After all, if you can define who God is then aren't you the more powerful being? Interesting note: those that redefine God will redefine him/her/it in their image--their god thinks like they do, acts the same, is in constant agreement, is charming, witty, dashing, charismatic....why, god becomes downright awesome, a god that they can actually see in the mirror and really, really fall in love with!!

65 posted on 04/06/2013 1:41:39 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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Well, How ‘bout it, RF, what was Jesus and David being punished for while in hell?


66 posted on 04/06/2013 1:41:52 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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Here is a very good read regarding this topic...

http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d030601.htm

70 posted on 04/06/2013 2:35:17 PM PDT by Musketeer
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[[His views are at least more consistent than religious philosopher John Hick, who refers to hell as a “grim fantasy”]]

Hopefulyl he coems to his senses BEFORE he has to find otu hte hard way just how wrogn he is


73 posted on 04/06/2013 3:13:29 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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Gehenna is a valley in Jerusalem, where people sacrificed children to Molech , and where they burned garbage. It is pretty clear to me what Jesus was telling us.


84 posted on 04/06/2013 6:39:10 PM PDT by Truth2012
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