Posted on 04/11/2013 6:40:37 AM PDT by Vermont Crank
And note that the misunderstanding or strawman often resorted of SS as being restricted to formal sufficiency, and as excluding anything but Scripture for salvation, and the supposition that Scripture must include a TOC, and resolve all disputes, is invalid and has been refuted.
It's not the "truth", it wasn't done out of "love" and it is sowing discord, not slowing it.
Three hours...wow. I lurked for three YEARS, LOL.
I wish I’d found FR a long time ago.
My Catholic Mom will sure be surprised to hear that! She often has me take her to Mass on Saturday! Sometimes, she goes to confession and then the Mass after that and she doesn't go again on Sunday. Will I have to let her know that she can't do that anymore 'cuz some guy in Vermont says it's a mortal sin???
Ah... ‘98!
Things were good back then.
Bill & Monica
Impeachment
Windows 98 released by Microsoft
The Search Engine Google is founded
Apple Computer unveils the iMac
India and Pakistan test nuclear weapons
Titanic is released
and Godzilla runs amuk some more.
whatever
Needs more cowbell.
Ok... I will say that I suspect that it is true - However, I cannot affirm it wholly, because I have no right or warrant to define God beyond what has been given. How can one declare a formula for what is not defined? In that, assuming 'essence' is presumptuous. Yeshua is YHWH (by empirical proof). But how that works, I cannot say... and neither can you.
I don't say this to be contentious - But such a precise definition cannot be proven.
It took overtime, but the poster has been zotted, a couple hundred posts past the obvious.
John 14:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Did that happen? I believe it did - - 50 some days after He spoke this. Therefore, it seems that, if what you believe is only what you can figure out, then you withhold from yourself something helpful that was provided.
If the "all things" that they were to be taught were possible to be recorded, ink on paper, why then did they not get busy right away with a writing project?
Just a side note: The dramatic conversion of the Apostles at Pentecost is a strong "proof" (strong and powerful indicator?) of the truth of Christianity.
It’s not as much fun when EVERYBODY is IBTZ.
No kidding!
As an informational point, I work primarily out of (accept) the Protestant Bible, my argument against 'canon' notwithstanding...
Did that happen? I believe it did - - 50 some days after He spoke this.
Sure, it happened - And precisely upon the anniversary of the giving of the commandments...
Therefore, it seems that, if what you believe is only what you can figure out, then you withhold from yourself something helpful that was provided.
That presupposes that He is withheld from me, and that I will listen to *no one*. That is not true. It also presupposes that the Christianity of today IS the Apostolic Early Church... I would suggest that it (self-evidently) is not... and particularly, I would aim that at the liturgical churches, albeit not them alone.
If the "all things" that they were to be taught were possible to be recorded, ink on paper, why then did they not get busy right away with a writing project?
They did. And in the interim, the Tanakh sufficed. But if you are angling toward 'oral tradition', you will find me quite against the idea, and not without cause.
And I have found no mysteries explained in the church fathers - at least none which comply with Scripture. So what 'all things' exactly are being passed down by this method?
Just a side note: The dramatic conversion of the Apostles at Pentecost is a strong "proof" (strong and powerful indicator?) of the truth of Christianity.
You will find that I have no trouble with the Early Church. That is what I am trying to get back to.
You should look up the term “ad hominem”.
Christ will NOT commit an unsubstantiated attack on the person, rather than addressing the person’s argument.
He’s dead Jim.
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