Posted on 04/11/2013 6:40:37 AM PDT by Vermont Crank
Dear narses. I have received several private emails to which I have tried to respond but I get a message telling me I am too new a member to use that feature
I don’t recall in Scripture where He established the Catholic Church 300 years after He was crucified. He established a Church comprised of believers while He was still walking among us.
Dear muawiyah. Yes, the “glorious revolution” and which “triumph” which continues today to spin out of control so wildly that we in America will now have the faux sacrament of Homosexual Marriage
The Church preserved and protected the Bible, Keeping it free from men who would change the Word of God. Guy's like Luther, who wanted to remove the Epistle of James because it contradicted his personal view on salvation.
The Church would often chain the Bible - Primarily because they were so valuable. Think about it - would you keep your wallet and your wife's jewelry box on your front steps? No, you protect your mere possessions. Think how the Church strove to protect the Word of God!
We would not have the Bible without the catholic Church, who kept it from error through the ages, who assembled and copied the Bible, and who defended Christianity, Europe and civilization from the Muslim invasions.
Heresies were dealt with from the beginning of the Church, and the Church has dealt with those introducing false teachings through the ages.
Paul warned us this would happen, "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." (2 Tim. 4:3–4).
Martin Luther was one of these men Paul warned us about. He so wanted to believe in his view of salvation by faith alone that he tried to remove James from the Bible. "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone." James 2:24. You have to go through mental and verbal gymnastics to say the clear language of the Bible does not really say what it really says. This is one reason the Catholic Church protected the Bible in the early days. A hand written copy would be guarded as a treasure because of its rare nature, but more importantly to prevent false copies from circulating and supporting heresy.
Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church. They will arise, endure sometimes for centuries, like Protestantism, but we can be confident in Christ’s promise that the Church will always teach the Truth.
Well, the millions of Protestants that have been saved and have gone to be with their Savior, Jesus Christ, would probably disagree with you.
And frankly, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would disagree with this treatise as well.
What did you hope to accomplish by posting this screed?
Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
Where is that in the Bible?
The Catholic Church strongly opposed vernacular translations. They banned them for hundreds of years. Not did Luther try to remove James from the Bible. He translated it and make it possible for commoners to read it.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/wyclif5.html
“For hundreds of years no eminent teacher had emphasized the right of the laity to the Word of God. It was regarded as a book for the clergy, and the interpretation of its meaning was assumed to rest largely with the decretists and the pope. The Council of Toulouse, 1229, had forbidden the use of the Bible to laymen. The condemned sects of the 12th and 13th centuries, especially the Waldenses, had adopted another rule, but their assailants, such as Alanus ab Insulis, had shown how dangerous their principle was. Wyclif stood forth as the champion of an open Bible. It was a book to be studied by all Christians, for “it is the whole truth.” Because it was given to the Church, its teachings are free to every one, even as is Christ himself.60
To withhold the Scriptures from the laity is a fundamental sin. To make them known in the mother-tongue is the first duty of the priest. For this reason priests ought always to be familiar with the language of the people. Wyclif held up the friars for declaring it heresy to translate God’s law into English and make it known to laymen. He argued against their position by referring to the gift of tongues at Pentecost and to Jerome’s translation, to the practice of Christ and the Apostles who taught peoples in their native languages and to the existence in his own day of a French translation made in spite of all hindrances. Why, he exclaims, “should not Englishmen do the same, for as the lords of England have the Bible in French, it would not be against reason if they had the same material in English.” Through an English Bible Englishmen would be enabled best “to follow Christ and come to heaven.”...
http://www.bible-researcher.com/wyclif1.html
1 Cor. l2:l3,”by one Spirit we are all baptized into one body.”
Hopefully something you will experience soon.
The word translated “church” in the English Bible is ekklesia. This word is the Greek words kaleo (to call), with the prefix ek (out). Thus, the word means “the called out ones.” However, the English word “church” does not come from ekklesia but from the word kuriakon, which means “dedicated to the Lord.” This word was commonly used to refer to a holy place or temple. By the time of Jerome’s translation of the New Testament from Greek to Latin, it was customary to use a derivative of kuriakon to translate ekklesia. Therefore, the word church is a poor translation of the word ekklesia since it implies a sacred building, or temple. A more accurate translation would be “assembly” because the term ekklesia was used to refer to a group of people who had been called out to a meeting. It was also used as a synonym for the word synagogue, which also means to “come together,” i.e. a gathering. “Body of Christ” Since believers have been united with Christ through spiritual baptism, they are sometimes corporately referred to as the body of Christ. (Rom. l2:4-5; 1 Cor. l2:11,13,l8,27; Col. l:l8; Eph. 5:30) The idea seems to be that the group of Christians in the world constitute the physical representation of Christ on earth. It is also a metaphor which demonstrates the interdependence of members in the church, while at the same time demonstrating their diversity from one another. (Rom. 12:4; 1 Cor. 12:14-17)
One did not learn their time tables on the first try and this subject is rather more important than the time tables and it must be learned for outside of the Catholic Church there is no Salvation, and so, in the interest of the Salvation of those I have never met and will likely never meet, this is actually an act of love whereas those opposing me are insisting I follow the hatred of the Catholic Condemned act of Indifferentism.
That is, nothing could be more hateful than to be Indifferent and to be unconcerned about the Salvation of others for the Salvation of all is willed by Our Triune God
I know someone else who was also rude to highly exalted church leaders...He called them “whited sepulchers full of dead men’s bones.”
How rude!
Ed
Bride of Christ or Christ’s Betrothed
(Eph. 5:25-32; 2 Cor. 11:2). These titles refer to the love and loyalty existing between Christ and believers.
So---David is not Saved? Joshua? The thief on the cross?
Note last paragraph.
Derived probably from the Greek kuriakon (i.e., the Lord’s” “house”), which was used by ancient authors for the place of” worship. “In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word “ecclesia, which is synonymous with the Hebrew kahal of the Old” “Testament, both words meaning simply an assembly, the character” of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a “place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times” it early received this meaning. Nor is this word ever used to denote the inhabitants of a country united in the same “profession, as when we say the “Church of England,” the “Church” “of Scotland,” etc.” “We find the word ecclesia used in the following senses in the “New Testament: (1.) It is translated “assembly” in the ordinary” “classical sense (Acts 19:32, 39, 41).” “(2.) It denotes the whole body of the redeemed, all those whom “the Father has given to Christ, the invisible catholic church” “(Eph. 5:23, 25, 27, 29; Heb. 12:23).” “(3.) A few Christians associated together in observing the ordinances of the gospel are an ecclesia (Rom. 16:5; Col. 4:15). “(4.) All the Christians in a particular city, whether they assembled together in one place or in several places for “religious worship, were an ecclesia. Thus all the disciples in” “Antioch, forming several congregations, were one church (Acts” “13:1); so also we read of the “church of God at Corinth” (1 Cor.” “1:2), “the church at Jerusalem” (Acts 8:1), “the church of” “Ephesus” (Rev. 2:1), etc.” “(5.) The whole body of professing Christians throughout the world (1 Cor. 15:9; Gal. 1:13; Matt. 16:18) are the church of Christ. “The church visible “consists of all those throughout the world “that profess the true religion, together with their children.” “It is called “visible” because its members are known and its” “assemblies are public. Here there is a mixture of “wheat and” “chaff,” of saints and sinners. “God has commanded his people to” organize themselves into distinct visible ecclesiastical “communities, with constitutions, laws, and officers, badges,” “ordinances, and discipline, for the great purpose of giving” “visibility to his kingdom, of making known the gospel of that” “kingdom, and of gathering in all its elect subjects. Each one of” these distinct organized communities which is faithful to the “great King is an integral part of the visible church, and all” “together constitute the catholic or universal visible church.” A” credible profession of the true religion constitutes a person a “member of this church. This is “the kingdom of heaven,” whose” character and progress are set forth in the parables recorded in Matt. 13. “The children of all who thus profess the true religion are members of the visible church along with their parents. Children are included in every covenant God ever made with man. They go along with their parents (Gen. 9:9-17; 12:1-3; 17:7; Ex. 20:5; “Deut. 29:10-13). Peter, on the day of Pentecost, at the” “beginning of the New Testament dispensation, announces the same” “great principle. “The promise [just as to Abraham and his seed” “the promises were made] is unto you, and to your children” (Acts” “2:38, 39). The children of believing parents are “holy”, i.e.,” “are “saints”, a title which designates the members of the” Christian church (1 Cor. 7:14). (See [116]BAPTISM.) “The church invisible “consists of the whole number of the elect “that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one under Christ,” “the head thereof.” This is a pure society, the church in which” Christ dwells. It is the body of Christ. it is called invisible because the greater part of those who constitute it “are already in heaven or are yet unborn, and also because its” members still on earth cannot certainly be distinguished. The qualifications of membership in it are internal and are hidden. “It is unseen except by Him who “searches the heart.” “The Lord” “knoweth them that are his” (2 Tim. 2:19).” “The church to which the attributes, prerogatives, and promises “appertaining to Christ’s kingdom belong, is a spiritual body” “consisting of all true believers, i.e., the church invisible.” “(1.) Its unity. God has ever had only one church on earth. We sometimes speak of the Old Testament Church and of the New “Testament church, but they are one and the same. The Old” Testament church was not to be changed but enlarged (Isa. “49:13-23; 60:1-14). When the Jews are at length restored, they” “will not enter a new church, but will be grafted again into” their own olive tree (Rom. 11:18-24; comp. Eph. 2:11-22).
The apostles did not set up a new organization. Under their ministry “disciples were “added” to the “church” already existing (Acts” 2:47). “(2.) Its universality. It is the “catholic” church; not confined “to any particular country or outward organization, but” comprehending all believers throughout the whole world. “(3.) Its perpetuity. It will continue through all ages to the end of the world. It can never be destroyed. It is an everlasting kingdom.
"Zot? What does that mean?"
Sounds like pretended ignorance....and overdone, at that. I would think new members would have lurked long enough to know what these very basic terms mean.
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